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Winter portrait

By kamil018
Photo done after watching Youtube video, edit's done: added snow and removed lights from candles on eyes. Also used ND 8 filter to be able to use F 1.4. also on top light orange gel to simulate candlelights, backgorund grey with white flash on it behind back of model.

there is link to Youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsogtsPImIM

Tags: Snow Winter Candles Portraits and people bloe

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mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.3k 1976 United Kingdom
14 Sep 2018 3:15PM
It's a lovely idea, with a lovely model. I wonder if there are too many ideas going on? The snow is very well done, it works because of the random size and sharp/softness of the blobs. But the candles for me are a distraction, particularly as they are very soft and immediately in front of my nose. They risk creating a barrier between viewer and model.

Assuming that this was all taken in one exposure (apart from the snow effect), then I would query the use of F1.4. The focus here is good, and that was difficult to get right at such a large aperture, but F5.6 would have allowed a bit more definition to the candles, though it would have needed a somewhat higher ISO. I like the softness in the edge of the fur hood, that comes from the large aperture, but it could be added back... Wink

You mention having 'removed lights from candles on eyes.' It would be interesting to see the eyes unmodified. My second thought on opening this (after the matter of the candles) was that the eyes look dull. I shall try a bit of dodging there.

I also want to reduce reds a bit (that, I suspect, is the effect of the candlelight). Some very discreet use of the burn tool might reduce the distracting effect of softness on the candles. And a gentle b&w could be interesting. A bit more Snow Queen...

OK That's my job for the afternoon...
Moira

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mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.3k 1976 United Kingdom
14 Sep 2018 3:35PM
Mods uploaded. It would be interesting if you could add a link to the YouTube video!
banehawi Plus
14 1.9k 3948 Canada
14 Sep 2018 3:52PM
First, congratulations on the new camera! Im sure you are enjoying it.


I like the overall idea, - its very good.

I think I understand why you are using a very warm tone for her face, for me its a little overdone; candlelight produces very little actual light, so it might with with a much darker image?

Anyway, - still good. The camera appears, when I look close, to have focused on the hairs in the fur hood that are just in front of her face, so not quite on her eyes, which would be better. However, they do sharpen quite easily.

Ive cropped the mod to an 8 X 10, sharpened eyes, reduced the overall red/yellow tone, increased exp[osure on her face. It may not be in line with your original idea, but for me I find the balance of light on her face, overall light of the image, works better. Or, as I mentioned, even darker may work..


I will try a very dark version later. I would like to see that video also.


Regards


Willie
14 Sep 2018 5:18PM
ok, so there is video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsogtsPImIM

i have also used ND 8 filter to make possible of using f 1.4 at light from above.
There is orange gel on top light to simulate candlelight, when shoting without gel it looked strange. There is another problem i can see, I have calibrated monitor, and when i look at pictures on it in lightroom, they're fine but when i look at them on cellphone or printed one ot these they look very reddish. Haven't used greycard for this shoots for white balance and trusted auto setting in lightroom, orginally the backgorund was gray and lighted by white flash, lightroom pulled white balance to more cold side and it made backgound blue and propably changed red tones and i dont know if my calibration is faulty or i just cant see these changes. Becaus eof rme it's not seeable difference. There are pictures straight out of camera:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UeiS6AEzu1UM8TFdcmzuBmeZw03w36na?usp=sharing

My monitor is calibrated to sRGB color space and i have selected it in my new camera (old havent this feature, and photos looked more balanced also pritingd too) and in lightroom i have selected sRGB color space too.
banehawi Plus
14 1.9k 3948 Canada
14 Sep 2018 6:05PM
The web browser you use to view images is important when you want colour to look "right". A cell phone will use Chrome or Safari, neither of which perform any colour management.

When you view this site from a computer, Firefox, with colour management enabled, is the only way to get true colours, all others will impart a red tone.

sRGB is the WEB colour space. If you intend to print images, do not use sRGB, - but ProPhoto or Adobe, and you will get a much greater range of tones. But do convert to sRGB for mages on the Web.

Using AUTO wb inside LR is usually ok 9/10; did it alter what the camera provided significantly?


W
14 Sep 2018 6:10PM
Camera:
temp: 5650
tint: 1

Lightroom auto:
temp: 5100
tint: 0

When i pulled temp to candles look white as they are:
temp: 3550
tint:0
dudler Plus
15 738 1411 England
14 Sep 2018 8:53PM
Thanks for the link.

I'll stick to candles - and Gavin Hoey's wrong - you can take nice pictures by the light of candles alone. I know: I've done it.

You need high ISO, but then it's simple, especially with an electronic viewfinder, so that yo ucan see how it will turn out through the viewfinder. I used to shoot in Aperture priority, with a stop or two of negative compensation: these days, I adjust exposure, and shoot in manual, to avoid changes in brightness when the composition changes. You can see an example at: https://www.ephotozine.com/user/dudler-11864/gallery/photo/natalia-by-candlelight-19080453.

I suggest shooting with white balance set to tungsten: the result will look warm, but not excessively so. But if you don't like it, simply tweak it in editing.
14 Sep 2018 9:31PM
Uploaded modification where i changed WB in LR to Tungsten and it looks much better, i think that candles and white-grey background at back misleaded camera and Lightroom.
I'm planning to take every or most photos from Gavin's series, as training and more practical fuiltfment to Strobist: Lighting course of using speedlights in portraits.
Tomorow will upload next one from yesterday's session, but im not quite happy with results and will retake them soon, this ones with candles propably too.
dudler Plus
15 738 1411 England
15 Sep 2018 7:53AM
A plan is good - and following a course of sessions will give you a rounded view. And always question things - some parts of photography aren't open to question - but most thigns are...

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