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Wollaton Lake,

By marcsneddon
My first attempt at an infrared conversion in Photoshop - in fact one of my first attempts at anything in Photoshop. I am not sure this looks exactly like it should if i were to shoot this one with a converted camera.Looking for critique and direction on how to make this look more authentic.

Tags: Lake Landscape and travel

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banehawi Plus
16 2.2k 4138 Canada
22 Apr 2020 1:47AM
Can you upload the unmodified, as shot version to compare please Marc, along with ALL the **** details?



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22 Apr 2020 4:10AM
I rarely use Photoshop....and I suspect that an IR conversion in Photoshop is a simulation of an IR effect...but not a real IR photo.

My guess...if you want IR imagery....take IR photos.

22 Apr 2020 7:56AM
To me this doesn't look anything like an IR style conversion, and I'm not sure it's possible to simulate IR colour imagery in Photoshop in any really convincing manner... colours become strangely and dramatically transformed, using IR film, and in digital IR photography the results depend on the particular kind of sensor filter being used.
However you can sometimes get a half decent conversion in b&w... contrast increases, greens move towards white, blues move towards black, so it's a case of moving the appropriate colour sliders. I say "sometimes" because it depends on the colour information in the original, and in your modified image the sky has little colour, and there's not much green either.
You don't describe what you did in PS, but what you've ended up with just looks, to my eye, like a pronounced soft focus effect.

Have a look at the images on THIS page.

mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.1k 2231 United Kingdom
22 Apr 2020 8:10AM
I don't do IR, I enjoy viewing IR images occasionally, (although the effect palls very rapidly). The beauty of IR for me is in the dreamlike white cotton-wool tufts effect that it gives to tree foliage. I think the main problem here is the relative lack of greens for the filter to work on - what is left is rather murky, dingy.

I too would like to see the original. I'm thinking b&w...
dark_lord Plus
16 2.6k 675 England
22 Apr 2020 2:15PM
As Alan says it depends on how your camera is converted as to the effect you get, so simulating that is rather like a piece of string.

Certainly the usual/classic look are deep skies and white foliage and it doesn't look like there's much of either here so even with an IR camera that effect would be somewhat reduced.

The softness you've got doe giv a nod to the softness of mono IR film though that's all it is here, a soft focus effect.

So it would be best if we could see the original. Not all images will work well so I'm not promising, but there will be alternative processing that can be done to get nearer to your vision. Or somehting completely different...
chase Plus
14 1.6k 382 England
22 Apr 2020 3:55PM
Sorry but I am with the rest, all I am seeing is a blurry image with a very noisy sky and not much in the way of colour or IR effect.
Seeing the original would indeed be helpful.
pamelajean Plus
14 1.3k 2141 United Kingdom
22 Apr 2020 8:00PM
While we are waiting for the original to be uploaded, Marc, HERE is an EPZ article on Infrared Photography by the founder of EPZ, Peter Bargh.
dudler Plus
16 1.2k 1665 England
22 Apr 2020 10:22PM
We really need more information, Marc.

The full EXIF would be really useful, as well as the conversion route you took.

Peter's article was written when film was still the only way for most people to shoot: my more recent attempt at the same area is HERE and includes a bit about filters and converting cameras.

This image looks to have touches of colour in it: and IR colour is a really tricky beastie, which I confess I haven't really worked at. For monochrome, you can get somewhere near in PS, I think, but an IR filter is better. A converted camera - a bit over 300 for most bodies - is best, and resolves all focus issues. (IR light comes to a focus at a different point from visible light, so making allowances by focussing then adjusting are necessary - or stopping well down.) Additionally, while exposures with an unconverted camera and a filter tend to be very long, a conversion allows perfectly ordinary shutter/aperture combinations.

So - tell us more, and we can possibly help more.
22 Apr 2020 10:41PM
hi all,
Long day and just got around to uploading the original and i have added in the comments the EXIF data, and the method of conversion using Photoshop.
Many thanks for the critique - please keep it coming, much appreciated.
dark_lord Plus
16 2.6k 675 England
23 Apr 2020 10:53AM
Thamk you for the original Marc.

I've added a mod that has a more 'realistic' mono IR look.
I haven't added softness and grain as I was concentrating on the tonal look. All I did was a mono conversion and reduced blues and cyan to get the dark sky (though there's a lot of unevennes in tone that this step rather highlighted which I wouldn't expect) and boosted the yellows. Green colours such as foliage contain a high yellow component which is why I chose that route. Adjusting the Green in the dialog box made no difference. I used Affinity but I got the same result in Nik, and I guess Photoshop is the same.
23 Apr 2020 6:28PM
I reckon Keith's ( dark_lord ) mod is about as close as you're going to get to a simulated IR with that particular image.
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.1k 2231 United Kingdom
24 Apr 2020 7:47AM
Thanks for adding the original, unfortunately I cannot download it to work on - that appears to be a site issue. But I would still suggest that you maybe look at b&w. You do also need to sort out the vertical dark streaks in the sky.
dudler Plus
16 1.2k 1665 England
24 Apr 2020 5:09PM
I think the method you've used from that website is flawed, in that colour infrared images give false colours: nothing like the originals. Foliage tends to be orange...

I suggest going ofr monochrome, and the IR look that Photoshop offers off-the-shelf if you want things to look IR - but if you are happy with the results, that's fine. It's definitely a look that pulls the eyes back for a second look, even though it's not very IR-like...

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