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By biglog
Hi..looking for general critique of the picture as a whole but in particular should I leave spectators in or own personal opinion is I like them in as they add to the story ie,,they show how cold it was, how keen and enthusiastic to walk halfway up a mountain to watch the cars plus some atmosphere..also I was thinking of printing the picture for my local camera club comp..Does anybody have any thoughts on would it make a good print or not ?

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banehawi Plus
16 2.4k 4217 Canada
12 Feb 2020 1:03PM
Its a very good example of panning; the car is quite detailed with good blur due to the slow shutter.

I would leave the people too, but I would reduce the colour saturation of the spectators, the bright red and blues draw the eye.

I would crop to a 16 X 9 format which removes some sky, recover some highlight detail especially in the car, and in the mod, Ive reduced the slightly green tone.

I do think its worth printing for your club also.

Well done, hope this is helpful,


mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.7k 2375 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2020 1:48PM
Thanks for stating your thoughts so clearly! I wish that everyone in the Critique Gallery did that...

Technically the panning is extremely good, particularly as the car was moving up in the frame, not horizontally. And I like the breadth of the frame. But I'm not sure that the image as a whole, as shown here, works.

Panning creates a sense of speed by having the surroundings blurred, as though viewed from the fast moving vehicle. But here you have important static elements, the people. That's us, the spectators, we are seeing with their eyes, we can identify with them. I would prefer to see this composition with the figures sharp, as a sort of pivot for the frame; and then motion blur in the vehicle whizzing past us. Does that make sense?

I wonder if you took any like that?
biglog 7 42 2 United Kingdom
12 Feb 2020 8:58PM
Thankyou Moira and Willie for taking the time to critique my photo..

I will definitely be going for the 16:9 crop, also I can see reducing the saturation of the spectators works well, so thanks for the suggestions Willie..

Moira, thankyou for the recognition re the panning,,it was not ideal as normally I would take the shot with the car in front and horizontal but due to bushes and spectators getting in the way and dangerously close to the track (I was behind the rope)they had ignored the track boundaries and gone over the rope I could only get the shot as the cars moved away from me and slightly uphill thus I had to use a faster shutter than I would do normally to get any sort off sharpness of the car but still getting some blur of the road and kerbside..alas I think the only shots I have where the spectators are sharp will be where I have used a faster shutter which would also have frozen the car..From your point of view , would you think the shot would work better if I cropped out the spectators.?
dark_lord Plus
16 2.8k 749 England
12 Feb 2020 9:42PM
I've cropped in a bit closer than Willie and reduced the red and blue of the spectators even more.

My second mod removes the spectators altogether and it does have less atmosphere even though the car still jas room to move into.

It's definitely worht entering and on balance leave the spectators in.
How you treat them and how you crop is up to you but you have a few ideas to work on now.

biglog 7 42 2 United Kingdom
13 Feb 2020 12:30AM
Thankyou Keith..I think I will be leaving spectators in but reduce the saturation like you both suggest..if I do decide to enter it I will let you know how it went.!.Thanks once more to you all for the feedback..
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.7k 2375 United Kingdom
13 Feb 2020 11:45AM
I think that's the way to go. Compositionally the figures add counterweight, visual interest, a sense of involvement in the scene. They take the image to something beyond a demonstration of technical skill.

Good luck!
chase Plus
15 2.1k 541 England
13 Feb 2020 5:52PM
I think the spectators are important, they are actually doing something and contributing to the action.
I did a quick mod..
Desaturated reds and blues/cyans as has been mentioned.
Cropped from the top to give a bit more of a panoramic effect.
Increased contrast just a touch.
Converted to sRGB which is so important for displaying on the web.
dudler Plus
17 1.5k 1809 England
13 Feb 2020 5:57PM
Moira has a good deal of experience of motorsport, and I have just a little, none recent.

However, I know the difficulty of finding the right vantage point, and recognise that you might not be able to do what I'm about to suggest. I also acknowledge that this is an excellent shot, and a real part of the story. Often, yo uspend a lot of the time watching the back of cars.

However, my ideal is to get a shot like this compositionally, but with the car approaching the camera. Was it possible to get the far side of the spectators, behind the rope, and with a decent view of the track? If so, I'd want to be there.

Your panning is exquisite, and it portrays the straighter bits of a rally wonderfully. I'm sure you've got yoru share of images of cars in mid-corner, with whatever happens instead of the extreme opposite lock that characterised the era of Escorts, Dolomite Sprints and Kadetts.
biglog 7 42 2 United Kingdom
13 Feb 2020 9:04PM
Thankyou very much Janet and John for your feedback, its much appreciated..

The general consensus does seem to be to keep the spectators in but desaturate along with a letterbox crop which I will be doing..

John as for your suggestion which I think you mean standing on opposite side of track ..I would love to have been that side and for sure the view would be excellent however it is one long sweeping left handed bend and thus would put you on the outside of the bend at the end of a long straight so it was totally out of bounds to all spectators on safety grounds..I did manage to sneak over that side for the last half a dozen cars but they were going so slow it didn't make for a great shot really..

Thankyou to everyone once more..
dudler Plus
17 1.5k 1809 England
16 Feb 2020 4:24PM
No, absolutely not what I meant!

I know which side of the road I usually slide off (well - did once or twice when young...) and I'd never suggest standing on the outside of a bend.

Imeant 15 or 20 feet to yoru left, between hte spectators and the bushes, assuming there was a space there. Or even in the bushes, if need be!

Then, you could - perhaps - have a view of the oncoming car, with spectators on the right of the frame, and the car coming towards you.

A slow car can still look as if it's shifting - stop down and use a slower shutter speed, and something doing 30 can appear to be approaching warp speed!

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