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WW I Pilot

By James_C
Good morning All,

Many thanks for your interest and support for my last upload. I started a Members Group for historic pictures with my last upload and would encourage you all to join in.

Today's upload is another from our recently discovered box and is of my grandmother's brother, who was one of those amazingly brave men who took to war in stringbags. Sadly he lost his life in the process.

I have been doing some research, but as yet cannot identify the plane. Can anyone out there help please.

Lastly, this picture is as yet uneditted. I am interested in your opinion as to how much work I should do on it. To that end I am making this modifiable to see what you might come up with. I have done my own work, which will be my next upload. The original picture is approx 4" x 3" (12.5mm x 8mm).

All the best,


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Sooty_1 6 1.5k 220 United Kingdom
19 Oct 2010 9:06AM
Looks like it might be a Farman Shorthorn

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morpheus1955 9 3 2 United Kingdom
19 Oct 2010 9:28AM
Superb historical image.

James_C 7 36 56 United Kingdom
19 Oct 2010 9:39AM
Thank you very much Sooty_1. I've had a look at Wikipedia and I'm sure your right. To quote that wonderful source of information:

The Farmen Shorthorn or Farmen MF.11 "..served in both the British and French air services on the Western Front in the early stages of the war. As a light bomber it flew the first bombing raid of the war when on 21 December 1914 an FM.11 of the Royal Naval Air Service attacked German artillery positions around Ostend, Belgium.

The MF.11 was withdrawn from front-line service on the Western Front in 1915, but continued to be used by the French in Macedonia and the Middle East, while the British also used it in the Dardanelles, Africa and Mesopotamia."

Thanks again.

cats_123 Plus
12 4.6k 26 Northern Ireland
19 Oct 2010 9:39AM
wonderful and a great tribute to the brave men who flew...and that plane looks very early..could be a Airco DH2 ...
mrswoolybill Plus
9 986 1500 United Kingdom
19 Oct 2010 9:49AM
Good luck with the group, an excellent idea. Bill is working through (what's left of) his father's archives - he was an army photographer in WW2.
There have been suggestions occasionally that historic/restored pictures should have their own Category here, this might kick-start it.
James_C 7 36 56 United Kingdom
19 Oct 2010 9:57AM
I certainly think that would be a good idea Moira. Members Groups are all very well, but not a first choice place to look and too hit and miss as to how to find what you might want to see. Also the implication is that you are looking for something specific to go there at all as opposed to wanting to just look at something because it catches your eye and then take an interest and maybe even add your comments.

woolybill1 Plus
10 22 68 United Kingdom
19 Oct 2010 10:23AM
Hi James - Maurice Farman Shorthorn, without a doubt. I came to the conclusion, checked online, then read on to find Sooty_1 had beaten me to it! Not a DH2 - the latter's nacelle sat at the same level as the lower wing whereas this has a clear gap of a good 30cm.

I'm adding a simple mod, purely restorative rather than arty. Such informal images of WW1 have a great charm; strictly speaking British servicemen were not allowed to have cameras at the front, but given the status of the aircraft this was probably taken at a pilot training school.

I like the idea of your group and might well join if it weren't for the voting bit.....

Philo Plus
6 99 83 England
19 Oct 2010 12:08PM
What a great idea, thanks for sharing this with us and allowing mods. I can't help with identifying the plane but I have had a bash at restoring the image and it was good fun.
I hope you like and I can't wait to see more.
Jestertheclown 8 7.4k 249 England
19 Oct 2010 9:08PM
It's a Maurice Farman Shorthorn for sure.
The De Haviland DH2 was completly different.
taggart Plus
12 47 13 United States
20 Oct 2010 12:04AM
Interesting to see the mods and the original--- Will be looking to see yours tomorrow

Joline Plus
10 27 53 United States
20 Oct 2010 10:50AM
You have started a very interesting venture with your historical shots, and I hope many of them will be preserved. I think they should be kept as close to the original as possible. In this one, for instance, I would only remove the dust spots.
danbrann Plus
12 624 17
20 Oct 2010 11:56AM
Yes you may be on to something here.

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