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Door in the wall

By AM74
More pics from Jordan- this is Amman Citadel.
Took this shot with no exposure correction but uploading another version with -1 EV.
This time, as advised here, I sharpened the RAW image, and used auto adjustment in Lr and that was far less stressful!

Tags: Architecture Wall Doorway Roman ruins

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ddolfelin Plus
8 103 3 Wales
4 Jan 2018 5:09AM
It's a good shot - thanks for sharing.
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.3k 2262 United Kingdom
4 Jan 2018 8:23AM
Thanks for another good memory.

This was a tricky one, not only were you shooting bright sky through that gap but the wall itself, which dominates the frame, was in shadow. Did you try any other shots from the other side of the arch? (I cannot remember if the decoration is the same on the other side of the wall).

This was taken at lunch time with the sun high in the sky, not ideal but on organised trips one may not have any say in the matter! I know that the Citadel is magical in early morning light, but it was the tour guide's decision that gave me that!

I'd work further on your version to bring back some contrast in the wall. I would also like to skew bottom left out a wee bit.

One suggestion with a view like this: you used your widest angle, if you step back a bit and use a longer focal length that will being the background forward, give it more presence in the frame. It's called telephoto compression. It would work on the other side of the wall where the land is flat, on this side I think the land is dropping away behind us.
Moira
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.3k 2262 United Kingdom
4 Jan 2018 8:41AM
I've uploaded a very quick modification, based on your version which has a nice sky.

I used the quick selection tool to isolate the wall and the shadow on the ground, feathered by a few pixels, and then lightened shadows slightly, added a bit of brightness, and made a Levels adjustment moving the right hand slider inwards to boost highlight. Then I used the dodge tool set to highlights, the burn tool set to shadows, both at 3% exposure and with a huge brush, to further enhance textures. I didn't want to push it too far.

Then I skewed the bottom left corner out a wee bit.

I didn't touch the sky or background.
paulbroad 13 131 1289 United Kingdom
4 Jan 2018 9:18AM
An interesting one. You certainly pick difficult lighting! Not far off, but I would just correct the right upright to vertical. To darken the sky or not? It is a bit over bright so I have tried a mod but may have over done it a bit. Magnetic lasoo tool easily selects the doorway and sky, then just reduce mid tones with the histogram.

Paul
salopian 8 3 28 United Kingdom
4 Jan 2018 11:38AM
Nice warm image to cheer one up on cold, dull day here in the UK.
Some good comments and mods already posted.
I thought the left hand side of the wall less interesting than the rest so cropped this off to make a square image with the shadow diagonal coming out of the bottom left corner and the doorway off centre. (I'm following in Moira's footsteps here as the square crops that she often does, work well)

Geoff
banehawi Plus
16 2.3k 4160 Canada
4 Jan 2018 12:25PM
To prioritise the image of the actual wall, you need a positive exposure compensation. A negative comp darkens the wall in an effort to improve the sky.

Depends on whats important to you. To get both, you need bracketed exposures.


Ive uploaded a mod with positive EC and lens corrections. I think Ive mentioned before that that lens at 24mm has some extreme barrel distortion.


Aperture priority at f/8 would have been fine for this.



Regards


Willie
dudler Plus
17 1.3k 1692 England
4 Jan 2018 5:29PM
There's a question that Willie's stated best - do you want to give the wall or the sky greater importance?

I would have liked a bit more room here - I don't know if five paces backwards was an option, though. If it was, it would have allowed you to frame square(r) on, to avoid too much correction of verticals, and to allow me to play compositional tricks with the top of wall disappearing into the top left corner of the frame. Two mods coming - a 'best I can' and a version with blank white where I would like to have seen more...
pamelajean Plus
14 1.4k 2155 United Kingdom
4 Jan 2018 5:54PM
You challenge yourself a lot.

Aperture Priority would have been better than Shutter Priority because there is nothing moving.
In a nutshell, the aperture controls the depth of field in an image and the shutter speed controls how movement is recorded. Decide which of those two things you want to keep most control over in your shot and thatís the priority option to go for.

You needed positive exposure compensation as opposed to negative, Annie.
The wall is in shadow, the light is behind it.
This means that you are anticipating that the camera is going to underexpose the wall, and you are likely to end up with a brighter, better exposure.
It's good that you chose to use the exposure compensation, but you needed to do the opposite.

Pamela.



dark_lord Plus
16 2.6k 691 England
4 Jan 2018 7:31PM
This needs to be straight to have the most impact.
The capture side has been covered, though there are tools in Lightroom to do these corrections - you may not be ready for them yet but they are worth getting to know and you can of course always reprocess your images in the future.

This is nasty lighting in that it's tricky to have every part exposed nicely.

Willie's exposure advice is sound. The Auto adjustments have done a good job and apart from something you could do manually with a little experience and experimenting with tthe sliders have produced similar results. I'm looking at the wall detail and it looks like LR has boosted shadow detail Nothing wrong with that but with the -1 EV those shadows will need to be lifted much more than in the main image and by doing that you'll run into noise and image degradation problems more easily.

Taking two different exposures, one for the sky and one for the wall and blending the two later is a good approach but is much easier if the camera doesn't move between shots, so a tripod would be good but not always practical if you're on a trip. A wall or similar to rest the camera on is something to look for though there's never a convenient one at times like this!

As the mods show it is possible to get a reasonable result given the time of day.
Mono is another option, and you can make a feature of the noise if it's rather heavy as grain and mono do go well together, but you'd lose those lovely warm tones.

I do like the light spilling through the opening towards the viewer
dudler Plus
17 1.3k 1692 England
4 Jan 2018 8:55PM
Somewhat later (my computer is recovering from chloroformed slug mode now), two mods.

Sorry for hte delay.
4 Jan 2018 10:54PM
Thank you all for for your helpful tips and some really cool mods! All your comments re exposure, bracketed exposure and blending 2 or 3 shots together are noted.

When I was taking this shot, the sky felt more important to me to be exposed.

There were some steps going down just behind me but I could still have composed better, and some more room would have been good as John said.

There was detail on the other side of the wall Moira but I was going for the quick and easy option in order to be considerate to other tourists , as you suspected!


Quote:if you step back a bit and use a longer focal length that will being the background forward, give it more presence in the frame. It's called telephoto compression.

Did not know about this. Will have to look that up properly.

Thank you all again for taking the time.
paulbroad 13 131 1289 United Kingdom
5 Jan 2018 5:54AM
If you want the best result from a single exposure it is usually better to expose for the highlights, sky here, then recover shadows later. If you expose for darker areas, then highlights may well be completely blown and there is then no chance of recovering them, even with RAW.

The biggest problem when shooting RAW is that you fully understand how to RAW process. Many do not. I like to use RAW + Best JPG if I use RAW at all. That way I can get a good idea from the JPG what the image should look like and endeavour to improve on that by processing the RAW.

Paul
dudler Plus
17 1.3k 1692 England
5 Jan 2018 11:34AM
The perspective thing - I suggest simply trying it - the sort of hting that is really difficult to explain in words, so reference books may get bogged down. When you've played with the idea and your zoom lens, then look it up, and you'll have enough reference points for it to begin to make technical sense.

Or draw it out in profile, with light rays going through the lens... The sort of diagram you find in photogrpahic books written before 1975...

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