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Iguazu Falls again

By AM74
A different picture of the Falls today. A different part of it.

This one is a strange image and I cannot decide whether I like it. Slower shutter speed and not very sharp. Not completely symmetrical but some foreground interest and I did go a bit more than what I can usually in post processing!

Tags: Waterfalls Landscape and travel south amercia

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20 Jan 2019 8:36AM
Hi Annie.
First point- Don't be a slave to symmetry ...just trust your eyes, if they tell you it's right, it probably is.
Second point- With a spectacle like that I don't think you really need foreground interest, and in fact I think in this case it's more of a distraction than anything, especially the straggly bit sticking up on the left.
I've done two mods. In the first one I've cropped out the foreground to concentrate attention on what really matters, and cloned out the last couple of green bits that were still intruding into the revised frame. It needed sharpening too.
The second one... well, that's a bit more radical. Just me having fun. Needs to be viewed as large as possible.
paulbroad 13 131 1289 United Kingdom
20 Jan 2019 10:07AM
You have made your own comment. A decent memory shot but the lack of overall sharpness is immediately apparent, and that spoils it for general viewing. The bits not moving must be sharp where necessary.

mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.3k 2268 United Kingdom
20 Jan 2019 12:36PM
This is intriguing, because the spatial relationship between the rocks and the falls is ambiguous. Distances are very difficult to judge. That makes it rather special for me.

The shutter speed has given a rather nice 'poodle perm' effect in the water.

Alan's first mod is exactly what I wanted to do on opening this, and he has saved me the work...

To take up the two points that you mention:

Symmetry can look static and sterile, it generally needs a significant break in the pattern to give an edge to it. What works here for me is the large moss-covered boulder towards the right, it creates a very satisfying focal point.

Foreground interest is generally good if it provides a solid base for the viewer to start exploring the frame. Here it's not really enough and it's a bit too low in the frame. What could have been interesting would be to find an interesting plant and get down lower so that the foreground plant was on the same level as the falls. But that might not have been possible to do here!
banehawi Plus
16 2.3k 4164 Canada
20 Jan 2019 7:16PM
"This is a strange one"

Not sure what you mean really, as you have a decent shot as a trip memory. The shutter speed is not actually slow as it is, its appropriate for the scene! You set the aperture, the camera set the rest based on the metered light.

I think if you explore post processing a little more you will find that theres quite a bit you can do with this.
I mentioned a polarizing filter yesterday, - same comment here, though I realize of course its the same day.

Theres a significant amount of mist which softens quite a large area of the image, - thats simply how it is with heavy mist.

The two mods I uploaded "pop" the image quite a bit by addressing two areas; 1, since you are facing falling water, in bright conditions, you have a lot of shadow detail thats being hidden (btw, that prompts me to ask if you are shooting in RAW or JPEG?) as the camera will tend to underexpose; this is not a bad thing as you dont blow out the highlights. If you did have a tripod, the 5D can do in-camera HDR which gives both good highlights and good shadow detail; or you can use exposure bracketing, and combine in post processing. You can look this up via Google and get a lot of information.

So, let us know, - RAW or JPEG; and which image editing software you use, and we can get into more detail on post processing depending on what you use and what your comfort level is.


dudler Plus
17 1.3k 1701 England
20 Jan 2019 9:49PM
For me, Alan's first mod is wonderful, his second interesting. Either might convert well to black-and-white.

As Alan says, the foreground doesn't matter, given the majesty of the waterfall.

AWB has given you, oddly, a rather green tint, unless you altered it in processing.

I love the way you've put the rim of the waterfall so close to the top edge: a fine way to break the rules!

My mod is a mono conversion with Nik Efex. Suppressing detail heavily, keeping the original crop.
20 Jan 2019 9:54PM
John, you're such a diplomat GrinGrinGrin
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.3k 2268 United Kingdom
21 Jan 2019 8:46AM

Quote:"This is a strange one"
Not sure what you mean really...

The strangeness that I see is that we just have foreground and distant view, the middle ground has almost entirely disappeared entirely into the chasm.
dudler Plus
17 1.3k 1701 England
21 Jan 2019 8:49AM
For once, there was no ancient Chinese irony* involved, alan. It is interesting - I wonder if it needs one step more (another mono conversion, in your style, maybe?)

It takes Annie's original compositional idea right to the limit, reducing the picture to falling water, fringed. And that is fascinating...

* The ancient curse - 'May you live in interesting times.'
21 Jan 2019 9:57AM

Quote:I wonder if it needs one step more (another mono conversion, in your style, maybe?)

Maybe not, John. I've indulged once, I think to do it again might just be a bit pushy.BlushBlush
21 Jan 2019 11:03PM
Thank you all for your time, mods and encouraging comments.

I said strange as technically it was not a great shot and I was not sure about the composition either, but I kind of liked it and something was telling me it might have potential!

Willie- Sorry I did not explain myself properly. I meant that when I set the aperture to f11 , should have checked repeatedly what shutter speed it was showing and change f stop to increase shutter speed if necessary. I feel now having looked at all the shots that 1/320th and 1/400th was what caught the water drops and worked best overall. Or maybe this is complete nonsense as the it was probably my hand shake that made it soft, and maybe a bit a mist as you kindly blamed Smile

I did think about HDR but without a tripod it was a non starter, as you said. The competition for photographs and selfies was pretty fierce from the vantage points and we had a guide who just wanted a move on. Whilst Iguazu Falls are not commercialised like Niagara( which is the only one I can compare with), it was still busy with tourists and not as idyllic and remote as it may look. All that adds to the pressure when on holiday with others and the checklist goes pear shaped( at least for me)!

Circular polariser has been on my shopping list for a while, and I regret not thinking about having it before the holiday.

I always shoot RAW and only really use Lr. I crop and straighten which I am getting better at, and usually use the auto for tone ( that must be a no no for you pros). I also try and sharpen the image and increase clarity and like dehazing! I am aware of the gaps in my knowledge about Lightroom and processing, and the vast array of stuff available free online- I just need to make it a priority! I keep saving all my RAW images on a hard drive and plan to look at them in a few years when I am better at processing!Tongue

Thanks a lot Moira and Alan for your tips on symmetry and foreground interest. I can see why the green bits in the foreground were a distraction. Love Alan's first mod and Willie's second mod! John's grainy B&W is 'interesting' Tongue and very different. Thank you all.

Finally, I want to say that I have been a ephotozine member for nearly a year and I still cannot believe that all of you make yourselves available for people like me readily and give your time and fascinating input for no gain. Any excuse for not taking my photography to the next level and staying static is totally on me!
22 Jan 2019 8:43AM
Thanks for the feedback on the feedback, and especially for going into so much detail about the ways in which you feel we've been helpful. That's where the gain is for us, knowing how effective our various approaches have been, and it can help us refine our ideas... not just in the way we approach the "job," but sometimes even in the way we each approach our own work. It's a two-way street... we're all learning.
dudler Plus
17 1.3k 1701 England
22 Jan 2019 12:18PM
A couple of extra thoughts... If you had to exert yourself to get to the place you shot, that could have affected handholding and steadiness - though 1/320 and 105mm is generally a pretty safe combination.

Without a tripod, you can improvise, either by using a handrail, table or bench, or by bracing the camera against a vertical suport, like a tree.

And it might be worth a try to simply shoot a bracketed set handheld - the osftware is pretty good at aligning things these days. So if the camera can shoot a sequence one after the other on a single shutter press, try it!

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