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Reflection in the water

By AM74
Shot taken at Forge Dam, Sheffield whilst on a walk.

Tags: Sky Duck Clouds Lake Trees Dam Landscape and travel

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ddolfelin Plus
8 103 3 Wales
12 Jan 2018 5:09AM
Beautiful.
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.3k 2266 United Kingdom
12 Jan 2018 8:52AM
Very attractive. I like the way you have used that filigree of twigs on the right, it's as though a curtain is opening for us. I might try cropping a bit tighter?

There's an interesting comparison here. I assume that the main upload is the original, the version is your processing? Pluses for the version: it gets rid of the stray twig top left, you've rotated a tiny bit, and you have retrieved good detail in the clouds. But you have also evened out the light in the main part of the scene, and for me that loses the sense of warm sunlight filtering through the trees.

I'm going to download the version and see if I can bring back some contrast where I think it's needed...
Moira
12 Jan 2018 9:03AM
Thanks a lot Moira. I am sure I made a comment when uploading the version but it's not showing! Version was a different shot with no exposure compensation compared to +2/3 of the main one.
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.3k 2266 United Kingdom
12 Jan 2018 9:05AM
Thanks, that explains a lot! The main upload is better for the land, the version for the sky. I think this is a case where Willie will recommend bracketing exposures.
12 Jan 2018 9:09AM
I'm assuming you think the version is correctly exposed. So I did not need a + compensation technically speaking?
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.3k 2266 United Kingdom
12 Jan 2018 11:43AM
Sorry I didn't get back here earlier. The problem here was that the sky is bright, whereas the main subject area, the cottages and their surroundings, is in shadow. You aren't going to get a single exposure that's satisfactory for both - digital technology has its limitations!

So either merge two exposures. Or alternatively rethink the composition. I would go for substantially less sky, we see it in the reflection which to my eye is much more interesting! Reflected sky is generally about 10% darker than the real thing, so here it would make a satisfactory overall exposure easier to achieve.
banehawi Plus
16 2.3k 4163 Canada
12 Jan 2018 12:55PM
Ive added 2 mods that show the difference between using +1, and no exposure compensation on your first image. It shows the + EC makes a big difference on the non-sky area. The tilt correction in both differs accidentally, so it will seem to be a different size. So yes, best to use the exposure comp when the subject you want to capture is mainly the darker land portion.


The version is exactly the same overall exposure as the first image shot a few seconds earlier; meaning that f/4 at 1/400 is the same EV (exposure value) as f/8 at 1/100 using the same ISO. It looks brighter overall. However this is influenced by where you pointed the camera before you half press the shutter. For example, IF you tilted the camera downwards a little, half pressed, and then recomposed with the camera tilted a little higher you would be a brighter overall image; this would be similar to using the + EC. In this case the amount of light seen by the meter is less, so the exposure is increased by the camera, and then you change the scene with an uptilt. Its a technique you can use to adjust exposure without using EC. I have no idea if you did this, but its one way to exlain why with identical exposures, a shot with no EC looks at least as bright as one with +EC.

Bracketing would require a tripos, and you set the camera to auto bracket, which means it takes three shots, one a negative exposure, one in the middle, and one a positive exposure; the degree to which its negative and positive is set by you in the camera. The result is three exposures that can be combined to produced a balanced exposure in post processing. Your camera may well have an auto HDR feature that will do this combination itself, - but you need a tripod for this also, as it shoots three images. Its worth experimenting with this. Theres a member here, XWANG that uses auto HDR quite a bit with some images with high dynamic range using a Canon 5D mk 3.


Regards


Willie
paulbroad 13 131 1289 United Kingdom
12 Jan 2018 3:19PM
Quite nice. The composition is a little central and I know the area quite well. Would have tried to offset the buildings to the left - might have meant walking a little further. I think this sky will darken with the burning in tool, it,s not too far over.

Another way to bracket is to set auto bracketing, but then set, for example, -1 stop compensation at the same time. You thus get three exposures, one correct, one at -1 and one at -2. Depends on if the image is mostly bright or mostly dull!

Paul
13 Jan 2018 10:17AM
Thank you all again for your insight. Thank you Willie for explaining all this in such depth. I love your mod with +1 EV.


Quote:IF you tilted the camera downwards a little, half pressed, and then recomposed with the camera tilted a little higher you would be a brighter overall image; this would be similar to using the + EC. In this case the amount of light seen by the meter is less, so the exposure is increased by the camera, and then you change the scene with an uptilt. Its a technique you can use to adjust exposure without using EC. I have no idea if you did this, but its one way to exlain why with identical exposures, a shot with no EC looks at least as bright as one with +EC.


I feel so glad that I have grasped this concept, so I must be making some progress if I can understand this! However I am sure this is not what I did - well- intentionally anyway.

Quote:Another way to bracket is to set auto bracketing, but then set, for example, -1 stop compensation at the same time. You thus get three exposures, one correct, one at -1 and one at -2. Depends on if the image is mostly bright or mostly dull!

Understood that too and will brace myself to look at the very complex settings of Canon 5D mark iv to try out all of the concepts mentioned here Smile
dudler Plus
17 1.3k 1698 England
13 Jan 2018 12:35PM
I'm so sorry - for some reason I missed this when you put it up. Nothing to add to the comments above, other than to congratulate you on grasping the idea of lockign exposure and recomposiing, and what this implies i nterms of exposure. This is real progress, and it all gets easier from here on.

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