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By AM74
Over the last 12-18 months, I have taken lots of shots but have not learnt much as did not look at them/ process them. I cannot remember my thought process completely with this pic but I think wanted it to be as symmetrical as possible and did not carry a tripod. I wanted there to be a subject and did eventually get one shot with a tram coming but it was badly out of focus. The main pic was shot at 0 EV but the 2 mods were -1 EV ( I must have been getting highlight alerts with the sky maybe). Which is the correct one? Which version works the best? Is there a tool in Lr for the symmetry or is it just a case of cropping it until it looks right( which is what I have done)?

Tags: Street Transport Trees Tramlines


dark_lord Plus
16 2.6k 696 England
20 Jun 2020 9:10PM
You can always learn something from looking at your older pictures, but if you leave it too long the issue is that an important piece of learning is missed or postponed and could have been useful before now. Asyou say, you can't remember all the details of your approach, so that makes it harder to know what to do differently.

However, what you have said is something to go on. The fact that you thought about the type of image you wanted and tried to compose for that is good. Many people snap away without much thought.

The lead image is still in need of a little lightening and contrast boost. The flat lighting has done you no favours but 0 EV Compensation is clearly better than -1. Taking shots at differnt settings is good, as you're more likely to get a decent result and it'll be a learning point for future situations.
Perhaps the highlight warning was for a bit of sky but it's a small area of white so I wouldn't be concerned. Certainly not at the detriment of shadow detail. You can always lift shadow detail to some extent, and if you shoot raw you can go a long way to recovering those highlight areas. There's not a great range in this scene so those recovery options should get you there.

All that said, your third image taken with a lower viewpoint and making good use of sidelighting really does stand out and would have been my suggestion for thi situation if you'd had the time. Clealy you did!

Because of the strong lines in the first two images, mono is an alternative and the flat lighting won't be such an issue as you can adjuist the mono tones to achieve a more eyecatching result (that if you did the same in colour woul look wrong).

I'll try a couple of mods.

dudler Plus
17 1.3k 1701 England
20 Jun 2020 10:13PM
For me, your second mod is the one to go for: the lower viewpoint really makes the most of the tramlines and the texture - and the sunlight brings out texture and colour. I wonder if you'd deliberately put the lens in the shadow from one of the tree trunks - definite extra points for that.

So the really significant difference isn't the exposure compensation: it's the combination of viewpoint and that light.
banehawi Plus
16 2.3k 4164 Canada
21 Jun 2020 12:59AM
Yes, - always the low viewpoint for converging rails works best.
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.3k 2268 United Kingdom
21 Jun 2020 8:10AM

Quote:Which is the correct one? Which version works the best?

Your second modification works best, it was taken when the sun was relatively low in the sky, and there was sufficient directional light not only to cast long shadows but also to show up the textures in the cobbles. Plus you got down lower for that one, giving importance to those cobbles as well as to the lines. It is much more involving than the others.

You did something very good for these, you brought diagonal lines neatly into the lower corners of the frame. That is so much stronger than having them end mid-way along the edge.

But all of these, including mod 2, have a basic problem - empty fore- and middle ground. There is nothing to tempt our eyes to explore further. The focal point provided by perspective alone is cold and remote. And symmetry alone is not enough to guarantee a good composition, it often works best when there is a break, a quirk.

What this view needed was a specific subject. A figure walking, a cyclist, a dog or cat... Something to bring the symmetry to life, something for us to relate to.
chase Plus
15 1.8k 444 England
21 Jun 2020 10:44AM
I am with the rest of the Team here, your 2nd mod has much more impact.
A big shame that the image you took including a Tram was OOF but you do need something in that middle ground to really hold the attention of the viewer.
chase Plus
15 1.8k 444 England
21 Jun 2020 11:05AM
Imdid do a very quick mod based on mod 2.
Cropped a load from the bottom and some from the top to try and reduce the amount of empty space.
Cloned out the car on the left of the frame as I don't think it added anything to the 'symmetry ' of the image.
Warmed the white balance up a little with the camera raw filter in Photoshop.
21 Jun 2020 2:23PM
I wish I could claim putting the lens in the shadow John but I really cannot remember! Grin

Thanks all for your very helpful comments. I understand that the lack of a subject was an issue in the photo. Still, the first mod by Keith and also Chase have brought the colours alive and I do like it! Thanks for showing the mono alternative Keith, I can see that it is quite forgiving.

For the whole team, to give your time to review the images is much appreciated.
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.3k 2268 United Kingdom
21 Jun 2020 2:40PM
Thanks for your feedback. We are all volunteers, it makes so much difference when we hear back from people!
chase Plus
15 1.8k 444 England
21 Jun 2020 5:44PM
Great to have your feedback Annie, thank you, I wish more folk would do that, it does help us and makes a massive difference.

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