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By mrswoolybill
Bill in conversation with Captain Mainwaring, sitting by the river at Thetford where much of Dad's Army was filmed.
V1 was taken with my 50mm f1.8 lens, V2 with my standard lens. I would rate them both equally if it wasn't for the more distracting background in V2.
We liked Thetford. A number of places in Norfolk play the WW2 Experience card for all its worth. Sheringham had a classy coffee shop absurdly draped in camouflage netting, and several very unconvincing mock-ups of bits of aircraft sticking out of buildings. We were expecting the same in Thetford, given its claim to fame, but the town capitalises on it much more politely. There's an excellent (free entry) museum devoted to the series, there's Jack Jones Butcher Shop (pity about the plastic sign...), but that's about it. Oh yes, and the sculpture of Arthur Lowe/Capt. M, seated on a bench, looking out over the river.
Thanks for looking,
Moira
Edit: I realise that this may be a bit puzzling for non-UK members - explanation: here

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Comments


christabella 12 133 1 England
11 Jan 2013 8:04AM
Love version 2, it really looks like their chatting together.

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AnnChown Plus
6 198 1 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 8:09AM
SmileBill's not grumpy is he (I've seen your tag)? I love this - a great idea Moira! SmileSmileSmile
Ann
11 Jan 2013 8:10AM
In my humble opinion V1 is one of your best....
cats_123 Plus
12 4.5k 26 Northern Ireland
11 Jan 2013 8:14AM
yes..V2 has that knowing look...ahhhh the best clip ever......GrinGrinGrin


Quote:"Dad's Army: Keep Young and Beautiful (#5.2)" (1972)
Mainwaring: I think we're going to have to split this platoon into two halves, you know. One half for those who are fit and strong, and the other half for those who are not up to battle standards.
Wilson: Yes, well, I tried that once, sir. It looked rather untidy.
Mainwaring: How d'you mean, "untidy"?
Wilson: Well, there were two in one half, and twenty-one in the other.

CarolG Plus
9 195 18 Greece
11 Jan 2013 8:15AM
What a wonderful statue of Arthur Lowe, Moira, they could almost be twins Grin. V.2 for me. Carol
"Stupid Boy". well they make a happy but somehow discordant pair, I never took Bill for pompous, or strutting.

Dougie

V2 for me Moira.
mrswoolybill Plus
9 926 1462 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 8:31AM
Thank you so much Barbara, and thank you everyone who's called in here.
I might return to V2 and try to tone down or blur the background a bit.
Dougie, it was truly a meeting of like minds... Wink
Moira
sherlob Plus
10 2.7k 126 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 8:35AM
I didn't realise Bill had served in the home front - and to be given a statue in his honour - well my word! WinkWinkTongue
fentiger Plus
15 916 23 England
11 Jan 2013 8:37AM
A particularly well composed image personally I prefer No. 2 with Bill slightly less OOF creates a greater feeling of dialogue between the two.

There is also The Muckleburgh Military Collection in North Norfolk.

Albert
mrswoolybill Plus
9 926 1462 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 8:39AM

Quote:I prefer No. 2 with Bill slightly less OOF creates a greater feeling of dialogue between the two.

I should have added - V2 is F8 at 38mm. I was trying to get a satisfying balance between the three planes. The background (pub in one direction, bridge and floating bar in the other) was not helpful.

Quote:they could almost be twins


Quote:I never took Bill for pompous, or strutting.


Quote:I didn't realise Bill had served in the home front - and to be given a statue in his honour - well my word!

Bill is paying careful attention to this page, and making notes... Wink
rontear Plus
13 8 7 England
11 Jan 2013 8:42AM
Mirror image MoiraWink perfect juxtaposition. " Pike where are you Pike !!!"
Ron.
WhiteRose1 Plus
6 1.6k 148 England
11 Jan 2013 9:00AM
"Don't tell him your name, Bill" Tongue

The similarity is just a bit uncanny. Excellent crop in v1, Moira.

Dave
My o my now that is uncanny fame at last for Bill , I can hear the phone ringing from here. Excellent Moira, you both did well amazing capture.

John
V1 for me.. Grin
Herge88 Plus
9 40 4 England
11 Jan 2013 9:36AM
Brilliant, which one is Bill?

Best Matt
franken Plus
13 3.9k 4 Wales
11 Jan 2013 10:07AM
Both work really well for me Moira. I don't mind the background in version 2.

Ken.
sherlob Plus
10 2.7k 126 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 10:19AM
I had heard that they were going to make a movie of 'Dad's Army' - perhaps Bill needs to contact his agent for a casting interview.

As Bill is watching...

Tell me does the similarity go further than looks Wink
Phil_L 7 19 1 Wales
11 Jan 2013 10:51AM
V1 for me. What a great shot.
Phil
Tibetan 4 3 England
11 Jan 2013 11:03AM
Got to be V2. for me Moira, looks like they are really talking, regards Leon.GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin
ChrisOs 11 2 1 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 11:13AM
I think the worrying thing is that Bill does seem to be holding a conversation with, well . . . a statue. Do you not talk to him very much? Wink
Chris
Rende Plus
9 38 4 Netherlands
11 Jan 2013 11:31AM
Brilliant!Smile I remember a rather enigmatic remark some weeks ago about the search for captain M. and was wondering about the follow up; I'm not disappointed! Smile
Rende
lonely_oryx 8 61 54 England
11 Jan 2013 11:42AM
Brilliant work and thought out image. Great use of DOF and use if the similarities between the two
mrswoolybill Plus
9 926 1462 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 11:43AM
I thought this one might get some interesting comments...


Quote:Tell me does the similarity go further than looks


Hmmm... He does tend to treat me as a silly girl quite often. Apart from that my lips are sealed as after 42 years of marriage I really don't want to risk divorce proceedings.
Edit: He has just commented that he is more of a Sgt. Wilson. Or that he's sometimes one, sometimes the other. Oh God, I'm married to a split personality...
Further edit: He has just added Clive Dunn for good measure. I'm panicking.


Quote:I think the worrying thing is that Bill does seem to be holding a conversation with, well . . . a statue. Do you not talk to him very much?


Bill might say that I talk to him too much...

And thank you to John and Ken for their UAs - it's a good morning! I shall work further on V2, I had an idea while traipsing round Tesco.
Moira
mrswoolybill Plus
9 926 1462 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 11:46AM
And John (lonely oxyx)'s UA! And it's not yest midday. Wow, thanks very much.
Four UAs, and Bill is chuffed for once because he's in them all!
Moira
11 Jan 2013 11:53AM
Never thought of Bill looking like Captain Mainwaring before! Wink Two excellent images, Moira, like both equally Smile
Trev Smile
BarryC123 8 43 25 Ireland
11 Jan 2013 12:06PM
Brilliantly done, Moira !

I have a boxed set of Dad's Army I often dip in to, to brighten up a dull day. Fantastic series.
It'd make for an interesting exercise to match up your regular EPZ followers with the cast now, wouldn't it?
(Personally, I'd have thought your good husband more resembles Cptn. Square - not in look but manner, anyway !)
Joline Plus
10 27 53 United States
11 Jan 2013 12:16PM
I am drawn to v2...complete with the background as is.
There is a striking resemblance for certain!
danbrann Plus
11 616 17
11 Jan 2013 12:31PM
Which twin has the Toni.....................

an excellent double portrait Moira.
Mrsbass 3 2 1 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 12:49PM
Brilliant - superb
11 Jan 2013 1:20PM
A superb set of b-w portraits Moira.

Effrossini
AnneWorner 8 620 43 United States
11 Jan 2013 1:40PM
I've just watched the clip on YouTube and some of my grey cells were responding, so I'm wondering if I might have seen some of this when we were in Norway.

That aside, I don't think one needs to know anything about Dad's Army to appreciate the photo. One is immediately struck by the similarities of the faces - some might even wonder if Bill is actually looking at a recently unveiled statue of himself (yes, you are probably saying "heaven help me" at this comment!)

I've moused over these, back and forth - and am ending up appreciating v1 the more - Bill is slightly less in focus and that works better for me. Good luck on working that background in v2. I have a street shot with a similar distracting area and I ended up cropping close and vignetting, but it was never quite satisfactory.

Anne
helenlinda Plus
9 343 22 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 2:42PM
I'm going with v1 and the growing row of User Awards SmileSmile
Helen
11 Jan 2013 2:47PM
Great. V2 looks more like they are "in conversation".
Cliff
taggart Plus
11 46 12 United States
11 Jan 2013 3:21PM
will have to check out that film one of these days---
mrswoolybill Plus
9 926 1462 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 3:28PM
Many thanks to Helen - this is quite a day! - and to everybody else. I am just home from school and catching up with jobs here.

Quote:V2 looks more like they are "in conversation".

I agree. I shall work further on it...
Jennn, it was a long-running TV comedy series, set on the South coast during WW2.
Moira
Fefe Plus
4 23 31 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 3:41PM
These are great.................... they could be twinsWink Oh dear after the comment I made yesterday, if Bill is taking notes................ Another strike for meSad
V2 is my fave but I like V1, It looks like he is about to give Capt. Mainwaring a KissGrinGrin
Diane
ChiliMan Plus
9 135 17 Singapore
11 Jan 2013 4:00PM
V1: "At least tell me what I said!"
V2: "You're still gonna give me the silent treatment, huh?"

Grin

LOVED the vid in the link...ta GrinGrin

Andrew
mrswoolybill Plus
9 926 1462 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 4:22PM

Quote:V1: "At least tell me what I said!"
V2: "You're still gonna give me the silent treatment, huh?


Brilliant!
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
ChiliMan Plus
9 135 17 Singapore
11 Jan 2013 4:28PM
Heee Grin
SUE118 Plus
8 8 1 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 4:49PM
And Bill looks just like him. Love it.
11 Jan 2013 6:21PM
Ha ha, great stuff Moira, but I'm going for V2 on this one.

John Smile
Rock Plus
14 10 2 England
11 Jan 2013 8:26PM
Moria, out of politeness I suggest the viewers who is who.

Grand work Lass.

Rock
RockArea Plus
9 18 3 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 8:47PM
Excellent, both of them. I did wonder if you were referring to Bill as the distracting background, but I see what you mean now!

David
User_Removed 7 1 8 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 9:14PM
I think I like v2 best

Al.
woolybill1 Plus
9 22 67 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 9:32PM
Coming in at this VERY late stage, I must admit that my 'hero' from the great British sitcoms is Norman Clegg in Last of the Summer Wine. This is perhaps unfortunate as I spend most of my time sounding off like Foggy Dewhurst and looking like Compo. Oh, dear . . .

Bill
pamelajean Plus
10 958 1818 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 9:48PM
V2 is the one for me, Moira, nicely done. I have one like this of my partner chatting to Lord Baden-PowellGrin. He wanted me to take it so that he could send it to his scouting buddies. They still keep in touch. Quite astonishing really.
pdcche 5 4 United Kingdom
11 Jan 2013 10:38PM
Twins GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin, Peter..
11 Jan 2013 10:56PM
A shoulder to cry on, Bill??TongueTongueTongueTongueTongue Magnificent similarity, Moira!GrinTongue
AniaWink
frz67 6 10 32 Italy
11 Jan 2013 10:59PM
v1 for me Moira, not only for the bg, though.
the greater difference in the sharpness of the two faces creates an intriguing tension: we would like to see a sharp human face, instead you propose us the statue.
well thought out

francesco
nonur Plus
7 17 9 Turkey
12 Jan 2013 6:13AM
Very well thought of, acted out and executed, Moira. And very thoughtful of you to think of non UK residents. However I happened to have watched the series on BBC Prime. Your perfect cropping increases the resemblance, as the top of the hat of the captain is left out. I like both of them, and Bill really seems to be conversing in V2, and a little environmental intrusion doesn't bother me. Brilliant!
12 Jan 2013 9:46AM
Like the reallt close-up appoach, gives dynamismto the image Moira!
Maggie GrinGrinGrin
12 Jan 2013 1:00PM
It's like the big Question. Love their expressions and Bill is waiting for the answer. Really excellent Moira and congrats on all the well deserved awards........Sandy
gajewski Plus
11 10 9 United States
12 Jan 2013 9:40PM
I actually prefer V2 -- for the expression on Bill's face. I do agree that the BG is a bit distracting but it might be worth your trouble to Photoshop (or whatever you use) out the BG stuff.
-=\Walter
Nikonuser1 Plus
3 25 10 United Kingdom
13 Jan 2013 12:14PM
V2 for me, great image, love the exspression.SmileSmileSmile

Cliff
Chinga Plus
5 1 1 United Kingdom
13 Jan 2013 1:29PM
Very good! GrinGrin
IB
Sezz 11 617 15 England
13 Jan 2013 5:04PM
All been said but just brilliant Moira! V2 especially Smile

Sarah *
13 Jan 2013 5:30PM
Awwww, this could be Bill's brother! Isn't there some resemblance? Both images are superb.
Johanna
bliba Plus
10 2 Austria
13 Jan 2013 5:39PM
very well composed image......looks like Bill's brother WinkWinkWink
costas Plus
8 1 2 Greece
16 Jan 2013 11:45AM
I keep coming back to this, reminds me a Bresson photo called "Belgium, Brussels", V1 for the space between the heads, and you bring statues to life by the way.
mrswoolybill Plus
9 926 1462 United Kingdom
16 Jan 2013 11:50AM
I know it well, Costas. Interesting comparison. Questions rather than answers.
Sculpture, and photographing it, is a passion of mine. Thanks.
Moira
costas Plus
8 1 2 Greece
17 Jan 2013 11:36AM
Observation at its best
nobby2sheds 10 50 England
17 Jan 2013 9:31PM
Fantastic
Glostopcat 10 255 2 England
18 Jan 2013 10:25PM
Two classic images Moira, I thought this was Woolybill2, the twin brother who Bill was in animated conversation with!Smile

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