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By Bert47
Fog just some help on how to make my photos better the sky looks rubbish
i use google picasa and photoshop 14
Thanks Bert

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dark_lord Plus
17 2.8k 784 England
9 May 2019 8:46PM
Hi Albert,
Welcome to epz and to the Critique Gallery.
I see you joined yesterday. The Critique Gallery is wher you forego votes and awards in exchange for help on your images.

Thank you for saying what you're unhappy with in your image, as many don't.

I'd call the sky uninteresting as there;s little detail or texture. Sometines a large expanse of sky works, but often in situations like this it's better to leave a thin stripor crop it out altogehter. With the trees across the horizon here, juist a small amount of sky at the top is the way to go.

It's a nice band of fog lying across the fields, a good record of the atmospheric conditions at the time.
If I had a longer lens I'd be tempted tp fill the frame with just that layer of fog and the trees in the middle distance so it looks like the trees rising fron the fog. That's an alternative - often a scene has multiple possibilities as regards framing.

That said, I like your use of the fence and bushes as foreground interest, though why did you choose f/2.8? This type of scene looks better with front to back sharpness so think about f/8 to f/11.
If your intention was to have the foreground sharp and the rest of the scee soft, then that's a fair approach but even at open aperture at 28 mm there isn't going to be much differentiation. Use a longer lens and move further back - 100 mm would work nicely, though the perspective would be different.

The way you've composed the image leads the viewer to thos trees, but they're sof. Ideally you want the eye to be led to a strong point of interest for the viewer, and this doesn't work for me here. If there were an animal or tractoe in the field in the near distance, for example, that would fit the bill.

The white balance is cool and says to me 'cold morning'. If that's what you intended, fine, generally though I'd warm thi simage up so the fog is more of a neutral tone.

Thank you for saying what software you used, but it would help also (for the Critique Gallery) what you actually did, and if possible upload the original so that we can see how you've modified it and also enable us to try alternative techniques.

mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.9k 2457 United Kingdom
9 May 2019 10:07PM
A warm welcome from me too. Keith has given a very detailed critique above, my initial thoughts on opening this were very similar to his -

Quote:some help on how to make my photos better the sky looks rubbish

First of all, you are not going to get a dramatic sky on a foggy day, it just doesn't happen. It is always going to look empty. Mist is a very tricky subject!

Possible strategies - to compose for the contrast of that emptiness with the land below; or to reduce very considerably the amount of sky in the frame. Here I would go for the latter - the sky above the horizon harmonises very nicely with the mist below.

Secondly I'll echo Keith - why did you go for F2.8?? Moderately shallow depth of field - say F5.6 - could work with this scene if you got down lower and focused on a strong foreground shrub to dominate the frame, with the mist as a soft background. But otherwise, for a general view, F8 to F11.

As this stands, shallow depth of field is counter-productive, the foreground vegetation is simply rather straggly and untidy, and the viewpoint looking down on it separates it from the background.

I shall try a very quick modification. Fog is difficult because it's precisely the qualities that are attractive when we are there - the softness, the lack of sense of distance - that work against a 2-dimensional image on a flat screen. A bit more light does usually help.

And I will have a go at that 'composing for emptiness' as well.

Back soon, I hope...
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.9k 2457 United Kingdom
9 May 2019 10:31PM
Back again, I've had a quick play with this and really enjoyed it. I've uploaded four modifications, as follows:

For the first I simply opened the Camera Raw filter in Photoshop and tried the auto enhance - I was pleasantly surprised by how much depth it revealed in the sky. I also warmed colour very slightly.

Number two - a tighter crop to reduce the sky, with some gentle dodging and burning.

Then things got interesting - Number 3 is a much tighter crop for a minimalist feel, with that sense of emptiness above.

And Number 4 - toned mono worked in Nik Silver Efex, with a frame and a hint of burn edges to contain the emptiness.

The more I worked on this the more I decided that the foreground really is the weak element. If you are going to include foreground vegetation it needs to be strong, you need to seek out a structured shape.

Hope this gives you ideas.

paulbroad 14 131 1293 United Kingdom
10 May 2019 9:52AM
Most things have been said above. Use this section, and take note but always be aware that any comment is an opinion.

I would have tried to focus on the misty trees rather than the foreground, which is just a frame in effect. For me, this type of image needs a subject as a focal point. I realise you cannot carry a tractor or cow with you, but something semi - silhouetted in the mid distance, sharp and probably on the left vertical third would add tht anchor point. The mist then becomes a background.

banehawi Plus
17 2.5k 4264 Canada
10 May 2019 12:09PM
Hi Albert.

Ive also comments on your other upload.

Its all been said above. I will add some general comments I hop adds to the feedback.

You used f/2.8 and focused on the foreground trees; so everything beyond these trees will be soft, as you can see with the next line of trees; this also includes the sky. The sky was also misty, so this adds to the lack of detail. Its supposed to be misty since its foggy.
It is possible to imprive sky detail to some extent in post processing by pulling back the black point (in levels, move the bottom left slider inwards to meet the graph) but this also kills the soft, misty effect. This mistiness is enhanced/exaggerated in Moiras mods, and it looks good.

Dont use both Picasa and Photoshop, - use only Photoshop.

Ive added mod 6. Its not a bad idea to use manual white balance, - sunny was used here, - however, shade might have been more appropriate. If you shoot RAW, use Auto WB and correct in post processing.



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