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JohnDyer 11 67 2 United Kingdom
30 May 2007 5:02PM
works well, i ilke this

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30 May 2007 5:02PM
Great atmospheric shot here Bert. Dosn't look like the best place to be though.
Good work,

John (-:
30 May 2007 5:06PM
Atmosphere to spare Bert, it does have an eerie feel to it, fine image, Adrian
riprap007 13 1.6k 37 England
30 May 2007 5:10PM
terrific slice of sky there, although it's posterizing in the clouds to the right, - sort of adds to the atmosphere though
JouŠo 13 56 Finland
30 May 2007 5:19PM
great shot again, Bert!

jaktis 14 84 Sweden
30 May 2007 5:19PM
What to say, as good as always

Herge88 10 40 4 England
30 May 2007 5:25PM
Another great moody shot, I like the low perspective.

Best Matt
11 12 1 United Kingdom
30 May 2007 5:26PM
Love the atmostphere to this Bert.
dianah 11 24.5k 4 United Kingdom
30 May 2007 5:37PM
Full of atmosphere..the sky is brilliant, quite scarey though!
User_Removed 13 386 2 United Kingdom
30 May 2007 6:16PM
Love the low angle, it works so well.
User_Removed Junior Member 11 16 England
30 May 2007 6:21PM
Definitely an eerie scene, especially with that sky. Nice work!
viscostatic 11 35 5 United Kingdom
30 May 2007 6:31PM
Great atmosphere with that threatening sky.

Hanners Plus
12 875 10 Ireland
30 May 2007 6:36PM
Very moody and also very good Bert

edcat 11
30 May 2007 6:54PM
tajjeb imma top right could avoid posterisng and remaining artifacts from routed leaves.............................
trissie 11 United Kingdom
30 May 2007 7:06PM
Lovely work Bert!

Trish x
DolphinLady 12 54 1 Wales
30 May 2007 7:19PM
I think something has happened to my monitor settings, this is very very dark, will have to try re-adjusting them.
What I can see, looks fantastic.
franken Plus
15 4.5k 4 United Kingdom
30 May 2007 7:32PM
Moody, atmospheric and amazing lighting.

rangerpaul 10 19 7 England
30 May 2007 7:40PM
Lovely shard of light at the front of the image. Adds to the dynamics of the shadows.
Great shot.
norton 14 6 United Kingdom
30 May 2007 7:54PM
Nice moody image Bert,well captured.........

LisaRose 11 172 4 United States
30 May 2007 8:08PM
Great creative shot. Good choice to shoot this at a low angle. Nice one.
GeorgeRusky 12 1 4
30 May 2007 8:11PM
Great photograph.
The combination of colors and lighting works well.
Thank you for your comments.
ITPSnapper 12 45 Netherlands
30 May 2007 8:27PM
Quite scary, love the intensity of this.

TerryBaxter 11 11
30 May 2007 8:28PM
Good light and 'Bert' effect, as always.

Rgs. Terry.
SandraKay Plus
10 233 4 United Kingdom
30 May 2007 8:41PM
A very dramatic shot. Has to be viewed large to appreciate the lighting as the thumbnail doesn't do it justice.
Malc_V 12 England
30 May 2007 9:10PM
Another masterpiece Bert.

Nice one.

Maiwand 11 3 73 England
30 May 2007 10:38PM
A really top quality composition Bert. The low angle and very dramatic sky make this a very atmospheric shot. This is right up there with the best.
imagio 11 12 1 England
30 May 2007 10:41PM
Amazing imagery, clix on all your images..
Buffalo_Tom 11 2.3k 9 Wales
31 May 2007 6:53AM
Looks a derelict place Bert.The title suits the image well.Good one.
Slaterm 11 496 1 United Kingdom
31 May 2007 8:22AM
dark and moody - but very effective Bert
Tandberg 14 1.2k 2 England
31 May 2007 1:42PM
Bert i used to comment on your images in the hope that you may stop the over filtering!.
But you did not and many of the images from time ago to now are still the same. Over filtered.

I'm sorry that i have to speak my mind,but i feel its the only way, and thats to be honest.
Yesterday i noticed Poochies comment and i agreed with what he said, but i did not say anything as i did not want to add any upset..

I Believe its nice when people comment and give a crit on an image in a helpful way, and thats what i try to do.

But people saying that a shots great when it clearly is not, is not doing you a good service.

Your shots are over filtered more so in the landscape images and it detracts the natural light and colour that should be there.

On this image you are tyring to create a dark and moody image,but its not working bert as it just looks muggy and grey.

If you feel i'm being nasty then i would like to say you could not be further from the truth as i am trying to be helpful and put across one Honest Opinion!

If i upset you then i am sorry for that, Truly i am bert.

But i feel that folks on here are not being honest with you, i know you can do better and i have seen better in the past.

Let the landscapes natural light do its job

BertC 11 29 Malta
31 May 2007 6:43PM
Dearest Dave,

I thank you for your kind remarks Smile ... I do not normally follow up comments over my pictures as some others do on epz.

I too have been following your work and unlike your recent attitude I am not really bothered whether people view, click or whatever .... nor will I threaten to leave epz and/or revert to such childish attitudes. Similarly, I do not pretend to be in some niche of 'Photographic Gurus' who know it all and look down on other people's work expecting theirs to be the top of the class.

I regularly remind myself of my limitations and enjoy the passtime and epz for what it really is ie. a hobby !!

Furthermore, I thoroughly enjoy viewing and learning from other colleague's work and feel that efforts always warrant a degree of merit and loads of appreciation.

You might appreciate that photography (as in most other areas in life) is very subjective in nature .... and whether other folks are honest with me or not is not really my problem .... nor shall I revert to foul language or loose my temper over this ...... I leave that to the less civilised mortals.

So there you go Dave .... you are always free to fire away .... just keep smiling and remember that at the end of the day it's just a picture mate !!!

Get the picture Wink Wink Wink

The poor photographer.
bobalot 11 10 England
31 May 2007 7:43PM
rock on bert, keep them coming.

rgds Bob
peter_oak 12 1 England
31 May 2007 8:10PM
I am pleased to read a reminder that photography is a hobby and not a way of life.Great shot Bert and composition.

AlanBW 12 20 England
31 May 2007 8:56PM
Has an eerie feel to it; the sky is very dramatic
looboss 11 3.1k 7 United Kingdom
31 May 2007 9:12PM
Over filtered or not one never gets fed up of looking at the great masters and your pics have an air about that!
Keep them coming as long as you enjoy what you do!
patsy88 10 United Kingdom
31 May 2007 9:14PM
Very nice shot, v.. eerie.
kinfatric 13 550 9 Scotland
31 May 2007 9:47PM
perhaps a little darker exposure in this one Bert but still an interesting and pleasing composition
phototime 11 8 United Kingdom
31 May 2007 10:22PM
I love the mood in this Bert,very dramatic sky and composition,great photography, like your style.

MalcolmS Plus
12 1.2k 13 England
31 May 2007 11:08PM
Atmospheric lighting Bert

DYankee 11 6 United States
1 Jun 2007 12:56AM
Well, as usual, I like your work, Bert.
Photography is an art, and you have a unique style that stands out in the gallery as being yours. A true artist sticks to what they like, because that's what art is. If we all thought the same, we'd all have the same thing up.... although sometimes the copying is more than frustrating, but it just goes to show that those with creative perspectives stand out, and the others copy....or if they don't get it, complain.

I say shoot your style your way, and be happy. The only one that has to like it is you. Many of us do like it... because it's unique. There are NO RULES in art of photography, and that's why artists are free spirits. Smile

All the best to you... keep the 'over filtered' stuff coming. Smile

Dawn Smile
Barbaraj 11 450 England
1 Jun 2007 4:56AM
This is a place I'd rather not be alone! So you created the effect and it would make a good mystery novel book cover.
RobinF 11 83 1 England
1 Jun 2007 6:27AM
Hi Bert, I see your images are the cause of some controversy here!! Smile I read Dave and Pooch's comments and I understand what they are saying. However, I think they are making one assumption and that is that the majority of EPZ'rs make positive comments and click for an image automatically whether they really like the shot or not. I don't think that's true. 'Taste' is totally subjective, I have an image on EPZ that I only uploaded because my wife insisted I did (I am not going to say which one it is!) I really dislike it! Yet it got an RC and lots of positive comments. Am I to assume that all my friends on EPZ are humoring/patronising me or could it be that I am the only one who doesn't like the image? Keep up the great work. - kind regards Robin
daffydill56 14 190 United Kingdom
1 Jun 2007 7:54AM
Hi Bert,
I clicked on this image yesterday, but left no comment. Why? Because I admired the image, and loved the mood created in it, albeit a little dark for my tastes.However, I didn't and don't want to get pulled into any unnecessary controversy.

Not all of us (including me) are qualified enough to criticise an image within a gallery, but, if an image is appealing to my eye then, I will comment/crit. where I see fit, politely. If I don't like an image I will either say so, or not comment at all.Occasionally I may send a polite private message if i dont like an image for any reason.

At the end of the day, if the photographer has posted, he/she did it for a reason, because they are proud of the image.

Bert, you have a unique style, as many do here in Epz. Keep posting your work, and I will continue to make my honest and truthful comments...politely. Keep up the good work.

Tandberg 14 1.2k 2 England
1 Jun 2007 9:00AM
Lets make one thing clear Bert
I have never, or will never, claim to be in or part of a niche of 'Photographic Gurus' who know it all and look down on other people's work!

Yeah i have said that at times i am fed up with epz and its click for click mentality or its passing over of good images by up and coming and new photographers here on epz!.

While an epz member i have Pm'd Keith and others about advice on images and how to go about it, And i have recieved many Pm's on how i do my Photoshop work and my night work, and i have spent many hours over time writing detailed explanations on how i do it.
I have even travelled for hundreds of miles to meet people and to show them in person how to do a particular thing.

Have i ever asked those people to praise me for that here on epz? The simple answer is no and i never would as i believe it to be a personnal thing in that if i can help then i bloody well will.

So if you want to make me out to be a prima dona or know it all then thats your choice at the end of the day bert.

But will tell ya this i'm just an average bloke who dont make money from my images,and i dont do semminars or workshops on photography and just a guy who loves this hobby.

Oh and the reason i wrote if you dont feel qualified to comment on this image the other day was this, its that when i ask for comments i get people saying sorry i dont feel qualified to comment as i am a begginer.
Thats all

You want to make me out to be the bad guy when all i want to do is be honest and try to help.
Fine bert go ahead

Just sorry you took it that way!
Paul_cats Plus
12 61 22 Scotland
1 Jun 2007 9:01AM

Quote: I may send a polite private message if i dont like an image for any reason.

Well said and lets keep the real quabbling out of the comments section and be a little more discrete.
Nicely composed shot Bert if perhaps a little dark but it does give it that eerie look about it.
Pete Plus
16 18.8k 97 England
1 Jun 2007 9:21AM
Here's a typical example of almost how I'd love the gallery to work. Dave was right to say what he thought because, hopefully, his opinion, like everyone elses, should be encouraged. I then hope the owner, in this case Bert, would accept an opinion and maybe, as in this case, disagree. Where it went slightly wrong is that Bert got defensive and hit back rather than just disagreeing. And then Dave came back, and luckily didn't go over the top in the retaliation (which sometimes happens resulting in one leaving the site). So it seems to have calmed down. And a point has, quite rightly, been expressed.

If we encourage this the gallery, and site as a whole will get healthier and as a result the members will get more out of it and we'll have more photographers, and more brilliant photographs.

So use this example as an example of how it almost works. Remember a comment is just an opinion (in this case a brave one against all the positivity)...the more opinions we get the better the site will be.
oppo 11 6 2 Scotland
1 Jun 2007 11:05AM
Bert, I click and comment on your work because I like it. " Overfiltered" or not ? ....that's only one person's opinion....Who cares !!

glazzaro 13 70 23 United States
1 Jun 2007 3:35PM
Nice work as always Bert, Spot on! Click!!!

1 Jun 2007 4:47PM
Lovely atmosphere, a great spooky image.
2 Jun 2007 2:26AM
Bert, Personally I like your "overfiltering". I think the end result is what is important, not how you got there. So, go for it. I love your pictures - and I don't say this because I want anything in return, this is my 100 per cent honest opinion!
TonyFrith 11 3 6 United Kingdom
5 Jun 2007 10:15PM
Great shot & its full of atmosphere as always
danbrann 13 636 17
7 Jun 2007 5:53PM
I think you have turned a nothing pic into a good thought provoking image.You seem to have a style of your own. keep it up.
I have now learned how to make a Maltese cross.
thorn 13 124 2 Scotland
17 Jun 2007 8:09PM
Hi Bert,
I really like this one,you do get days like this,i love your style i can pick it out a mile away and i enjoy how you do your style,it tends to look like an old master painting rather than a photograph .Another amazing Bert style image.Take care.AnnSmile

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