green vase MOD

Hi krystal..yes, this is sooo much better than the original IMO, and just highlights the difference attention to detail can make. It looks like this is the same shot that you've worked on, which means that the detail (in the doorway for instance) was there in the first place. the straightening makes such a difference as well. Now that's been dealt with, to the shot as it is now..it's titled "green vase" and that signifies that the vase is the main focus or point of interest...and rightly so. The interplay of light within the glass is lovely. But... . . ....the main problem I see is that there is just too much going on in the pic as a whole, too many competing elements, and the vase just gets swallowed up in the whole mix. There's the table, the doorway, the window, the lights , and the vase. This can work sometimes if the eye is led on a path through the pic which ends up resting nicely at the main focal point. As it is here though, if there's any line that the eye follows it's straight out of the door (and there's even an exit sign to help it on the way..). Lex gave an excellent critique and mentioned that you should ideally go back and re-compose. I know you like to experiment with how far you can take a shot, and this version of yesterday's pic shows the difference post-processing can make. However, there are certain things that can't be fixed after the event, and the main one is perspective..the level and angle at which you take the shot. After a shot's been taken, the only compositional changes that can be made are cropping and cloning away distractions. You can't change the angles and proportions between the different elements. This is where taking the time during the shoot, shooting from different angles and directions and with different focal length can make all the difference. (Perspective for this reason is the one thing that can't be demonstrated in a modification by the way) I recall making similar comments on an earlier shot of yours, how you can only take processing so far, but that attention to detail at the time of shooting saves so much time and problems afterwards. I see your PF growing and you're making such an improvement both artistically and technically IMO..so I hope you take this in the spirit it's intended and keep up the good work Best wishes from over the pond Stephen

Hi krystal..yes, this is sooo much better than the original IMO, and just highlights the difference attention to detail can make. It looks like this is the same shot that you've worked on, which means that the detail (in the doorway for instance) was there in the first place. the straightening makes such a difference as well.

Now that's been dealt with, to the shot as it is now..it's titled "green vase" and that signifies that the vase is the main focus or point of interest...and rightly so. The interplay of light within the glass is lovely. But...
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....the main problem I see is that there is just too much going on in the pic as a whole, too many competing elements, and the vase just gets swallowed up in the whole mix. There's the table, the doorway, the window, the lights , and the vase.

This can work sometimes if the eye is led on a path through the pic which ends up resting nicely at the main focal point. As it is here though, if there's any line that the eye follows it's straight out of the door (and there's even an exit sign to help it on the way..).

Lex gave an excellent critique and mentioned that you should ideally go back and re-compose. I know you like to experiment with how far you can take a shot, and this version of yesterday's pic shows the difference post-processing can make.

However, there are certain things that can't be fixed after the event, and the main one is perspective..the level and angle at which you take the shot. After a shot's been taken, the only compositional changes that can be made are cropping and cloning away distractions. You can't change the angles and proportions between the different elements. This is where taking the time during the shoot, shooting from different angles and directions and with different focal length can make all the difference. (Perspective for this reason is the one thing that can't be demonstrated in a modification by the way)

I recall making similar comments on an earlier shot of yours, how you can only take processing so far, but that attention to detail at the time of shooting saves so much time and problems afterwards. I see your PF growing and you're making such an improvement both artistically and technically IMO..so I hope you take this in the spirit it's intended and keep up the good work

Best wishes from over the pond

Stephen

Hi Krystal, just an update on my comment, I either didn't see at the time or misread your description, or maybe it changed, that you added the forest in the doorway. I still stand over the points I made though. It looks so much better with something in the door rather than a bright white burnout. Blending a copule of different exposures to cope with the high dynamic range could have included what was actually through the door: and if it wasn't good to look at it would have been better left out of the frame. Burn out isn't a good technique for hiding something bad ;) [quote]The "vertical police" were on patrol [/quote] it's just a no-brainer, no policing about it...it was vertical when you looked at it... Cheers Stephen

Hi Krystal, just an update on my comment, I either didn't see at the time or misread your description, or maybe it changed, that you added the forest in the doorway. I still stand over the points I made though. It looks so much better with something in the door rather than a bright white burnout. Blending a copule of different exposures to cope with the high dynamic range could have included what was actually through the door: and if it wasn't good to look at it would have been better left out of the frame. Burn out isn't a good technique for hiding something bad


Quote:The "vertical police" were on patrol


it's just a no-brainer, no policing about it...it was vertical when you looked at it...

Cheers

Stephen

I like this, -its very good and is lot better than the first attempt. So a little vertical policing can pay off! regards Willie

I like this, -its very good and is lot better than the first attempt. So a little vertical policing can pay off!


regards


Willie

:D A car park, ( PARKING LOT ):D AM I RIGHT? COME ON THEN TELL ME,but personally i prefer the natural shot,far more artistic value and effectiveness to the person it meens something to.;)

A car park, ( PARKING LOT ) AM I RIGHT? COME ON THEN TELL ME,but personally i prefer the natural shot,far more artistic value and effectiveness to the person it meens something to.

Krystal, I did a Mod for you Jabe suggested a bandido with a poncho LOL great idea;) By the way I think your Mod is brilliant. Jamm

Krystal, I did a Mod for you Jabe suggested a bandido with a poncho LOL great idea By the way I think your Mod is brilliant.

Jamm

Thanks everyone for the comments and critique. I appreciate it. Jabe I know what you mean about "artistic value" and "effectiveness" I feel the same way, each artist interprets their work a certain way. Jamm thanks for the funny Mod, Jabe had a good idea about it. Have a lovely week end everyone. Krystal

Thanks everyone for the comments and critique. I appreciate it. Jabe I know what you mean about "artistic value" and "effectiveness" I feel the same way, each artist interprets their work a certain way. Jamm thanks for the funny Mod, Jabe had a good idea about it. Have a lovely week end everyone.

Krystal

Prefer this one Krystal :) I wish I could type like Tooth... it would take me about two days to do what he has done ...but all excellent advice. Alvar

Prefer this one Krystal I wish I could type like Tooth... it would take me about two days to do what he has done ...but all excellent advice.
Alvar

Yes, I have to agree, I do really like this one better, Excellent work, well done indeed..........Martin

Yes, I have to agree, I do really like this one better, Excellent work, well done indeed..........Martin

No Mods critique team? Jamm did a funny mod Thanks Jamm. Thanks everyone for the consensus and APPROVAL for my MOD it means a lot :D I am happy to know most people love this picture, so do I. Ok, its not English antique but its a very distinct SW style and very desirable west of the Mississippi. I really have to take the "square-ing up" - vertical issue seriously - 2 degrees off can make a huge difference if you are going out into the universe. Krystal

No Mods critique team? Jamm did a funny mod Thanks Jamm.

Thanks everyone for the consensus and APPROVAL for my MOD it means a lot
I am happy to know most people love this picture, so do I. Ok, its not English antique but its a very distinct SW style and very desirable west of the Mississippi.

I really have to take the "square-ing up" - vertical issue seriously - 2 degrees off can make a huge difference if you are going out into the universe.

Krystal

Stephen, Willie, Focus, Jabe, Jamm, Martin, Alvar, all you guys, great comments. What I like most about EPZ is that it is MONITORED. Keep up the good work. Krystal

Stephen, Willie, Focus, Jabe, Jamm, Martin, Alvar, all you guys, great comments. What I like most about EPZ is that it is MONITORED. Keep up the good work.

Krystal

Amazing interior. Perfectly captured. Regards, Oleg.

Amazing interior. Perfectly captured.
Regards, Oleg.

I really like this image fresh mod mix with earthy sw looks. Brillian Mod Krystal. Leman

I really like this image fresh mod mix with earthy sw looks.
Brillian Mod Krystal.

Leman

Excellent work on this image. IMO great improvement on previous shot. Rob.

Excellent work on this image. IMO great improvement on previous shot.
Rob.

Excellent work, Krystal. But then your first image was also excellent to me:) I agree with Jabe , I also like natural. :) Take care, Pauline

Excellent work, Krystal. But then your first image was also excellent to me I agree with Jabe , I also like natural.
Take care, Pauline

Thanks Pauline for all your support, much appreciated. I hope everyone has seen the Modification (hidden under the MOD tab) inspired by Jabe, created by Jamm - two great guys on EPZ. Thanks again everyone. Krystal

Thanks Pauline for all your support, much appreciated. I hope everyone has seen the Modification (hidden under the MOD tab) inspired by Jabe, created by Jamm - two great guys on EPZ. Thanks again everyone. Krystal

I agree with 'all of the very positive & constructive comments' that have been made. You have really done artistic work on this image, Krystal. If you were to go back there for a 'reshoot,' I would try to put that lovely 'emerald green vase,' in an assortment of varying perspectives, pov's, and capture angles, within a full image frame. Try to compose each of your captures, 'as a full frame shot,' with the intention of 'no cropping.' In this way with digital, You can take as many as you want as time permits. I sometimes shoot the 'same image frame,' three or four times. I know that even with slight varying of light & exposure, 'one of them will be near perfect.' The thing with digital photography, is that it is 'really inexpensive' as far as storage media(SD or CF cards). Deleting poor images is so easy. No big problem. I also enjoy shooting film on occasion, but it is far more expensive for each image('mucho dinero'). Hope my commentary is helpful. I really enjoy looking at your artistic work. Regards...Peter :)

I agree with 'all of the very positive & constructive comments' that have been made. You have really done artistic work on this image, Krystal. If you were to go back there for a 'reshoot,' I would try to put that lovely 'emerald green vase,' in an assortment of varying perspectives, pov's, and capture angles, within a full image frame. Try to compose each of your captures, 'as a full frame shot,' with the intention of 'no cropping.' In this way with digital, You can take as many as you want as time permits. I sometimes shoot the 'same image frame,' three or four times. I know that even with slight varying of light & exposure, 'one of them will be near perfect.' The thing with digital photography, is that it is 'really inexpensive' as far as storage media(SD or CF cards). Deleting poor images is so easy. No big problem. I also enjoy shooting film on occasion, but it is far more expensive for each image('mucho dinero'). Hope my commentary is helpful. I really enjoy looking at your artistic work.
Regards...Peter

Absolutely NOT Peter. I wanted this very shot; I liked the way it looked. In fact I like the original with the bright white doowway, (previous upload) because we can't see whats beyond it. Thats the story of the image, this art piece, the dark room vs the bright light and the incidental catchment of objects inbetween as I saw it. Why would I want to change the composition when this is what I liked? The only reason I did this Modification with the Aspen trees is to show that things can be changed digitally to say anything even if its not true. But my personal preference is the original view as I took it (previous upload)with glaring white light from the doorway. Thats my artistic view, my artistic freedom my artistic expression. By the way I took 100s of shots at this place from one gallery to the next, from building to building, each had its own treasure, its own fantastic southwest artwork. I could spend a two weeks and still not see it all. Krystal

Absolutely NOT Peter. I wanted this very shot; I liked the way it looked.

In fact I like the original with the bright white doowway, (previous upload) because we can't see whats beyond it. Thats the story of the image, this art piece, the dark room vs the bright light and the incidental catchment of objects inbetween as I saw it. Why would I want to change the composition when this is what I liked?

The only reason I did this Modification with the Aspen trees is to show that things can be changed digitally to say anything even if its not true. But my personal preference is the original view as I took it (previous upload)with glaring white light from the doorway.
Thats my artistic view, my artistic freedom my artistic expression.
By the way I took 100s of shots at this place from one gallery to the next, from building to building, each had its own treasure, its own fantastic southwest artwork. I could spend a two weeks and still not see it all.
Krystal

Great work Krystal. I don't understand why are they trying to "change" your perfectly great design concept which IS THE STORY you want to tell: the huge DISPARITY of light and dark as seen from inside. I think they are being disrespectful to you. Critique is one thing, but to say you must go back and redesign a perfectly beautiful artistic shot sounds vindictive. Some people are strictly "paint by numbers" by-the-book guys, have no artistic vision. You are an artist not afraid to step outside the box. Thats what sets you apart Krystal. I like your work it stands out from the rest. Theirs is mudane. I like the original image - previous upload - because its true, that blinding light is true. I much prefer it to the cloning of aspen trees in the doorway (your Mod above). As far as Modifications go, I think Jamm's Mod with a gun-toting poncho-gangster in the doorway is funny and I'll take that for humor. Leman

Great work Krystal. I don't understand why are they trying to "change" your perfectly great design concept which IS THE STORY you want to tell: the huge DISPARITY of light and dark as seen from inside. I think they are being disrespectful to you. Critique is one thing, but to say you must go back and redesign a perfectly beautiful artistic shot sounds vindictive. Some people are strictly "paint by numbers" by-the-book guys, have no artistic vision. You are an artist not afraid to step outside the box. Thats what sets you apart Krystal. I like your work it stands out from the rest. Theirs is mudane. I like the original image - previous upload - because its true, that blinding light is true. I much prefer it to the cloning of aspen trees in the doorway (your Mod above). As far as Modifications go, I think Jamm's Mod with a gun-toting poncho-gangster in the doorway is funny and I'll take that for humor.

Leman