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By crisbek
This is a shot I took at a church near me at llanwynno rd. I love taking this type of shot and always like them in bw I find that a lot of the time it can bring out detail you sometimes can't see in colour not sure if I over done it a bit but I'm sure some 1 will let me know.regards John.

Tags: Graveyard Churches Black and white Black and white

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banehawi Plus
16 2.2k 4150 Canada
1 May 2018 1:17PM
It would be great if we could see the colour image you started out with.

You can upload right here on this page if you still have it; just click the Modifications button, then click Upload, and select your colour original jpeg. It will show as a Mod, and we can compare, and make suggestions as appropriate.



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1 May 2018 3:48PM
I have uploaded original in modifications
banehawi Plus
16 2.2k 4150 Canada
1 May 2018 6:28PM
Thanks, I will download it and take a closer look!
banehawi Plus
16 2.2k 4150 Canada
1 May 2018 7:00PM
I like your approach to cropping. The original seems to me to have a little too much vacant sky, ans does benefit with some space cropped off the left.

Ive tried a colour mod cropped with less sky, and Ive tried to compensate in the foreground for underexposure caused by the bright sky, - hoping for a more even exposure overall.

I used this for a mono conversion. The presence of such vibrant yellow is a challenge, - you want to keep the daffs bright with some detail, and I ended up with a mod thats probably less dark/contrasty, - its just a different approach. I didnt use any filters, like NIK, just the basic colour sliders in PS.

BTW, - I sharpened the image, mainly the upper portion where the church is quite a bit, as the foreground appears a lot sharper than the church. I would try not to use an aperture smaller than f/11 for this due to diffraction/loss of sharpness.

It is a nice scene, like the foreground placement of the daffs.


1 May 2018 9:17PM
Thank Willie all points taken on boad
dark_lord Plus
16 2.6k 684 England
1 May 2018 9:28PM
Mono is an interesting choice.
You've given it strong contrast, which I do like in mono images, which has resulted in the detail being more apparent I'd say. Given your title I find the colour version more peaceful as such, but the daffodils being so large in frame and being a bright colour do dominate the image. In the mono image they are much less a draw to the eye and I can appreciate the building better.

The crop you've done has resulted in a mor pleasing composition as it's tighter so you could have taken a step fuirther at the time of capture - it's always worth exploring small changes of position when using a wideangle lens.
dudler Plus
17 1.2k 1682 England
2 May 2018 4:54AM
I've doen a mono mod using Nik Efex with a green filter, lightening the foliage, which alters the mood a bit (for better or for worse).

My main suggestion is that shooting on a day with less cloud would have allowed some interest in the sky: as it is, one wants to crop as much as possible, or learn how to drop in a sky from another shot, as some people do (and as darkroom workers sometimes did, using a separate negative. And artists have always been able to adjust the weather as they want to...)
mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.2k 2248 United Kingdom
2 May 2018 8:45AM
Welcome to the Critique Gallery, I see that you joined the site a few days ago and this is your first upload. I hope you'll enjoy it here and find it useful.

I really like the way you saw this. Low pov to start with, as soon as you move well away from normal eye level, either up or down, the world looks more interesting. And here it is combined with strong foreground interest.

The crop strengthens both aspects. The daffodils lead the eye upwards through the gravestones toward the church. And the low pov makes the grass seem taller, adding to the feel of a private, secluded place.

There's wasted space on the right, I do think the interest is on the left/ middle of frame. Cropping on the right would move the church to a more central position which I normally advise against, but it would be balanced by the daffs.

One other thought though - as I said above the placement of the daffs and church means that the eye travels instinctively up the frame rather than horizontally, and that generally works best in a portrait frame. I'm going to try a much more radical crop.

I do like your strong, gritty, contrasty b&w. But this sort of treatment carries the risk of significant loss of detail. Sometimes that works, it simplifies things. Literally it becomes a question of black and white. But sometimes loss of detail is a real loss, and I think that's happening in the daffodils. How did you convert to b&w? Does your software give direct control of the colour channels? I'd like to try darkening on yellows.

Back soon, I hope...

mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.2k 2248 United Kingdom
2 May 2018 9:12AM
I've uploaded a little sequence of three modifications. The first is your colour original with various tweaks.

First I replaced one very overexposed flower, cloning in another.

I used the burn tool very gently, just 3% exposure, on the daffodils, first on midtones, then on shadows, to strengthen detail. Then I lightened the image overall. Then I used the dodge tool (3% exposure, huge brush, set to highlights) and burn tool (3% exposure, huge brush, set to shadows) over the grass. That brings out texture, gives a more 3-D feel. That gives a basis for b&w conversion.

I used the 10 x 8 ratio for cropping, it's not a favourite of mine but it suited the composition. I converted two different crops in Nik Silver Efex, with added contrast and brightness, lightening on greens by 25% and darkening yellows by 5%. I added a frame, simply to contain the image. It's cosmetic but it defines the space. I do prefer the vertical frame, it's how I see strong foreground interest working.

See what you think. The Critique Gallery is really about seeing through different pairs of eyes.

mrswoolybill Plus
13 2.2k 2248 United Kingdom
2 May 2018 9:37AM
Sorry, it's a very pale flower, not overexposed...

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