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Another Artistic Gull

By csurry  
Yet another of the slow (ish) shutter speed gulls.

I've deliberately toned this down to have a more monochrome look, it was already pretty monochrome, so just enhanced it by increasing contrast and darkening a little.

Some people in the forums were looking for an image to critique, I would guess this is as good as any to practice on Wink

I suspect you'll either love or hate it. Bit like Marmite! Grin

Tags: Norway Slow shutter Gull Wildlife and nature Flatanger

Voters: Boyd, old timer, ColouredImages and 173 more

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Comments


Boyd 12 11.2k 11 Wales
1 Sep 2008 7:01PM
I neither love it or hate it. Does that make me a bad person?

I do like it though.

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csurry 14 9.2k 92
1 Sep 2008 7:03PM
Well 1 in 7 must represent a new low for me Wink

Love, hate, like, does it really matter so long as you tell me why you like or dislike it? Smile

Go on this has to be fair game for some critique - scaredy cats!
Boyd 12 11.2k 11 Wales
1 Sep 2008 7:10PM
Tell you why I like it? Why does one prefer one type of cheese to another, why is one woman beautiful to one man yet another man prefers a nice cup of tea, why do some like roses and others like daffodils? Questions I'm sure we'd all like to contemplate but, frankly, can't really be arsed to.
Maybe you should have put it in the critique gallery for the team of experts to pass judgement for you?
Smile
csurry 14 9.2k 92
1 Sep 2008 7:11PM
What like CB, I've done a mod, which means he will have lightened it which is not the intent Tongue

Thanks anyway Boyd, I still luvs ya!
Dennis_Bromage 9 45 20 United Kingdom
1 Sep 2008 7:13PM
Love it. Much better than a standard shot of a gull, much more creative and original. this seems to be the direction a lot of the top wildlife photographers like Andy Rouse are heading too which is no bad thing

Den
edrhodes 11 546 12 United Kingdom
1 Sep 2008 7:14PM
Love, hate, like, does it really matter so long as you tell me why you like or dislike it
It simply grabs my attention for been different, and for that I like it.
PS I did do the quote thing but it ain't worked!
paulstefan 11 509 1 United Kingdom
1 Sep 2008 7:29PM
Personally, I think it works well.
The darkness of the water/sky works well against the exposure of the bird.
I can't work out if the comp works or not, so for now I'lll give it the benefit of the doubt. Wink
Cheers Cheryl,
Paul.
ValSaxby Plus
10 145 United Kingdom
1 Sep 2008 7:33PM
I love it - I love the movement in the shot, I love the fact that its different from the norm. Stunning image in my humble opinion.

Val
JONTHELENS 9 34 United Kingdom
1 Sep 2008 7:34PM
LOL, nice mod.


Very well taken, into my favs.

jon
csurry 14 9.2k 92
1 Sep 2008 7:42PM
Thanks all.

Yep composition is difficult, do you include the splash which automatically puts the bird into the front third, or not and have dead space. Went for frame filling with the splash. To be honest on 300mm prime you really don't have that much choice!

I do LOVE the mod, but will refrain from thanking you in the forums Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
G73photography 10 417 15 United Kingdom
1 Sep 2008 7:56PM
the composure is fine, and the black gives a good impact but think there is a little too much movement going on in the frame, the eyes going everywhere, id liked to have seen it with a slightly quicker shutter to tone down the movement. G
NEWMANP Plus
8 1.6k 574 United Kingdom
1 Sep 2008 8:01PM
despite being tight up to left side, i love the composition, contrast and movement in this shot, the splashing highlights give balance. one of the best ive seen in several days and if i could give it an award it would be yours,

Phil
Coleslaw 11 13.4k 28 Wales
1 Sep 2008 8:08PM
I think this is the best of the same few you have done.
csurry 14 9.2k 92
1 Sep 2008 8:33PM

Quote:The composure is fine, and the black gives a good impact but think there is a little too much movement going on in the frame, the eyes going everywhere, id liked to have seen it with a slightly quicker shutter to tone down the movement. G


What it probably wants is cloning out of the bit of water movement in front of the bird. Other than that the eye needs to travel from splash to bird.

Faster shutter speed, maybe but very difficult to judge exactly what you will get as it depends on the amount of action. In previous frames not enough movement, but once they have picked up pace then too much, but it's all subjective.
chase Plus
10 1.1k 246 England
1 Sep 2008 8:35PM
Boyd's mod is wickedly excellent & I'm surprised you didn't do it yourself Cheryl Wink
I don't like Marmite !
I like it because there is action displayed in the wing movement,clarity on the head of the Gull,water splashes which take away the otherwise starkness of the image & detail enough to appreciate...so there !
comma 8 108 6 United Kingdom
1 Sep 2008 10:07PM
I like it very much, the movement of the wings and water provide a great sense of movement, the colouring of the background and water provides a good backdrop for the image of the gull.
MNPHOTO 8 1 United Kingdom
1 Sep 2008 10:30PM
wow incredible
1 Sep 2008 11:29PM
Love it Cheryl, (and Marmite)

... I don't think there's too much movement going on, the clarity of the head draws the eye straight to it, superb...
Maybe I would have lightened the eye a bit.. see mod, what d'ya reckon too false looking??

Jon
RogBrown 9 3.1k 10 England
2 Sep 2008 1:03AM
I think it's pretty well spot on. The bird stands out nicely from the black b/g. The head & body are pin-sharp & there's just about the right amount of blur in the wings & feet to give a good impression of movement. I think the composition could be improved slightly by cropping the right side just to the right of the main splash, but all in all a cracking shot.
Rog
Ray42 8 3 England
2 Sep 2008 7:38AM
I like it
csurry 14 9.2k 92
2 Sep 2008 8:50AM
Thanks all, yes could probably do with lightening the eye a little after my darkening adjustments. Did not really notice that. Would need to be done carefully so it does not look false as you say. Need to view on a larger screen than I am using at the moment to see it exactly.

Well got about 30 votes more than I was expecting Smile
conrad 12 10.9k 116
2 Sep 2008 9:08AM
I like the shutter speed and the treatment. Works well.
Pete Plus
15 18.8k 96 England
2 Sep 2008 10:29AM
Spectacular! I've been disappointed with some of your recent blur/motion shots. Especially as you'd mastered the art of freezing mid flight (and birds on a stick!), but now it appears you've cracked the difficult art of slow motion. Incredible. The lightening of the eye would give it even more of an edge.
bfgstew 9 668 105 England
2 Sep 2008 12:18PM
Erm, not sure i can add anything else Cheryl!!!!!!!
An absolute stunner, I really do like the way you have captured the head and breast so sharply and the rest gently blends in together without being to obvious. Think the EC, sums it up though??????
Thanks for the help in the forum earlier, hope to get it sorted today.
Regards
Stewart
csurry 14 9.2k 92
2 Sep 2008 12:33PM
Thanks all.

Thanks Pete.

I guess how far you go with the pan-blur effect is a personal thing. I've always tried to keep one part sharp, the eye, but I noticed a lot of really abstract ones about, especially in Norway from various respected foreign wildlife togs, so I was just experimenting.

I don't think the UK is ready yet for the totally abstract interpretations of flight Wink

It is definitely a skill that I need to put some more time into practising, but it's hard to deliberately take a "blurred" shot sometimes when everyone expects sharpness and the "hit" rate for a successful image in the eyes of the majority of viewers is greatly reduced from my norm.

So I just have to bite the bullet and have a lot more wasted efforts if I want to improve, but every bird and flight is different to some extent and is affected by the environment or target of their movement.

Grin
Coleslaw 11 13.4k 28 Wales
2 Sep 2008 12:34PM
Just out of interest: what is the shutter speed?
csurry 14 9.2k 92
2 Sep 2008 1:27PM
I'd have to check and report back later Cole. Can't remember off the top of my head as I did a lot of experimenting from 1/15th for the really abstract ones right through to about 1/100th.
conrad 12 10.9k 116
2 Sep 2008 2:33PM

Quote:I don't think the UK is ready yet for the totally abstract interpretations of flight


Steve Bloom seems to do well with this kind of images, though. Or maybe his customers are not from the UK, that's a possibility, of course. At least EPZ is probably not ready for this kind of thing.

Edit: I'm glad I decided that your image was so good it didn't need my personal award - it was bound to get one from Pete!
csurry 14 9.2k 92
2 Sep 2008 5:41PM
1/100th
f/8
-1.7 EV

Yes Conrad, but I think having the name Steve Bloom helps to make them saleable Wink

Plus his are colourful parrots/macaws or something exotic, not gulls Grin

ps. I would have treasured a Conrad award, these ECs are ten a penny! Well actually they cost a lot more than that!
Coleslaw 11 13.4k 28 Wales
2 Sep 2008 6:23PM
-1.7 EV!
Just goes to show you need to know what you are after.
Ta
csurry 14 9.2k 92
2 Sep 2008 6:35PM
Not really the background was much darker than the bird, so it would have needed compensation anyway. I then toned it down a bit more in PS as I really wanted a monochrome effect.
Pete Plus
15 18.8k 96 England
2 Sep 2008 7:14PM

Quote:I don't think the UK is ready yet for the totally abstract interpretations of flight

I'm ready and waiting, but no one's uploaded one good enough Wink
This week's comment from Damien in AP is quite funny. He refers to something he's never seen before...blurred experimental landscapes. We've been doing them for years on ePHOTOzine.
csurry 14 9.2k 92
2 Sep 2008 7:19PM
You know what I meant!

I did see that article and found it quite amusing - a bit like that chap had invented moving the camera during exposure, but people have been doing it "deliberately" for years as well as accidentally Wink
chris-p Plus
10 65 England
2 Sep 2008 10:46PM
Gobsmackin amazin Smile
Phil_Morgan 10 182 1 Wales
3 Sep 2008 12:56PM
Cracking capture, but the feet and wings are blurred! Wink Tongue LOL!
Cheques in the post BTW.
3 Sep 2008 5:47PM

Quote:He refers to something he's never seen before...blurred experimental landscapes. We've been doing them for years on ePHOTOzine.
ahh we have that
Wink

Congrats on the EC, nice to see something different.
Shroomer 9 14 167 England
4 Sep 2008 8:58AM
You gave me advice on how to sharpen and keep steady and then you do this...lol
Tried it and its not bad, but a gull how boring, couldn't you find a better bird Cheryl
Keep looking at this and yep I have come to like it a lot, it does appeal also notice in Bird Mags a lot of the Finnish guys are going for these shots as well now.
Richard
justin c 12 4.7k 36 England
4 Sep 2008 6:08PM
Not an easy shot to get just right but it's come together perfectly here.
An excellent shot and a very well deserved E.C.
I love Marmite too Smile


Justin
ade_mcfade 12 15.2k 216 England
5 Sep 2008 2:05PM

Quote:Some people in the forums were looking for an image to critique, I would guess this is as good as any to practice on


Lovely shot. click

Wink
Phil_Morgan 10 182 1 Wales
6 Sep 2008 1:56PM

Quote:Lovely shot. click



PMSL Tongue
JohnParminter 9 1.3k 14 England
6 Sep 2008 10:25PM
I neither hate or love it Cheryl but am interested to see a gull in flight and from a technical point of view I reckon it's brilliant.
John
Coleslaw 11 13.4k 28 Wales
8 Sep 2008 9:45AM
oooo-eerrrrr

POTW!
sut68 Plus
12 2.0k 76 England
8 Sep 2008 10:13AM
Congrats on POTW, I had forecast this one to a few people on Saturday, happy to see I was right too Smile
pennyspike 13 2.1k 29 United Kingdom
8 Sep 2008 10:13AM
Congatulations Very well deserved, I enjoy this type of pictorial shot.
Excellent POTW choice.
Penny
csurry 14 9.2k 92
8 Sep 2008 10:19AM

Quote:Congrats on POTW, I had forecast this one to a few people on Saturday, happy to see I was right too


Well you are the king of POTW so you should know Smile

Thanks all. I go to Norway for sea eagles and the trip is "recognised" for a blurry gull I could have taken at Southend Wink
Leightonhs 9 155 1
8 Sep 2008 11:39AM
Wow, Iove this. Absolutely fantastic, nice job.

-Leighton.
sut68 Plus
12 2.0k 76 England
8 Sep 2008 12:19PM

Quote:Well you are the king of POTW so you should know

... nah, some other bloke from down South's got that mantle, but I'm working on it Wink
Coleslaw 11 13.4k 28 Wales
8 Sep 2008 12:36PM

Quote:I go to Norway for sea eagles and the trip is "recognised" for a blurry gull I could have taken at Southend


I was going to say that but thought it was too cruel.... Wink
MickyMc 8 8 United Kingdom
8 Sep 2008 1:03PM
Well Done Photo of the week.
Mavis
User_Removed 9 11 11 United Kingdom
8 Sep 2008 1:03PM
Absolutely bloody brilliant!

Its hets my vote and award.

All the best!

Chris C
8 Sep 2008 2:09PM
A fantastic capture Cheryl, congratulations for POTW too.
Geoff.
MNPHOTO 8 1 United Kingdom
8 Sep 2008 3:14PM
well deserved photo of the week i olove this
exposure 12 3.6k England
8 Sep 2008 3:51PM
A Beautiful image and capture of movement
Congratulations Cheryl on POTW.brilliant
Pauline.
normaly birds are not my kind of thing but this is great !!
csurry 14 9.2k 92
8 Sep 2008 5:13PM
Thanks everyone, not sure what to have on the canvas though - not sure I want to live with this one on my wall Smile
Guillaume 9 119 2 United Kingdom
8 Sep 2008 5:18PM
Just a brilliant shot really. Congrats on the EC and POTW.
G.
User_Removed 12 17.9k 8 Norway
8 Sep 2008 6:10PM
It's all been said Cheryl Wink
SlowSong Plus
7 6.2k 29 England
8 Sep 2008 6:39PM
I can't see what some of the griping's about up above - myself, I lurve it.
Chris
Ayelet_A 8 11 3 Israel
8 Sep 2008 6:42PM
I join the "love it" group!
Stunning shot for me - Beautiful movement in appose to the sharpness of the head, good atmosphere with the dark settings. Great splash Smile

Ayelet
stevekhart 10 4.5k 3 United Kingdom
9 Sep 2008 9:41AM
Excellent - I presume the mods are as much POTW as the OP's submission?!
csurry 14 9.2k 92
9 Sep 2008 9:45AM

Quote:Excellent - I presume the mods are as much POTW as the OP's submission?!


Surely you mean the POTW was actually for Boyd's mod Grin

Thanks all. Have a few more of these in the locker - but might save them for a while. Have one that is just the bird against a dark background that works quite nicely.
fauxtography 11 6.6k 36
9 Sep 2008 4:17PM
Congrats on the EC and POTW... now you see what happens when you use a bit of blur and art in your images Tongue
James_G 9 166 5
9 Sep 2008 4:47PM
Simply superb. Fantastic. Ignore the doubters, this is brilliant.
alyismad 10 9 Wales
10 Sep 2008 10:00AM
Congrats on the EC and POTW
11 Sep 2008 10:24PM
I ADORE ITXX
NICE ONE
SimPick 10 545 2 Azerbaijan
12 Sep 2008 8:45AM
Very nice, and origional. Not seen an image like this before. Great work.
Simon.
14 Sep 2008 5:49AM
congrats!
i love the slow shuter you used fot this shot
Melanie_M 11 168 9 United Kingdom
14 Sep 2008 10:24AM
I think in a batch of 'artistic blurred' shots this stands out above many. Pure magic and a well deserved EC/POTW. Congratulations.
wyatturp 10 2 England
14 Sep 2008 6:54PM
Art in flight, well done

DougSmile
MikeBonsall 10 474 3 Guernsey
15 Sep 2008 8:28AM
fantastic! I watched the Country File 'Animals in Action' calendar selection on TV yesterday and this image blows everyone one of them clear out the water.

Mike
23 Sep 2008 7:37PM
nice shot and detail and colour
andrew
Nick_w Plus
9 4.2k 99 England
22 Oct 2008 9:26AM
I could have sworn I voted and commented on this when it was posted, oh well. Its one of my favorite wildlife shots as it has something quite different about it, the movement is just brilliant.
csurry 14 9.2k 92
22 Oct 2008 9:30AM
Thanks all, sorry just catching up with latest comments and mods.

Space was a bit hard to achieve unless I wanted to get out of the boat and stand in the cold water, well actually swim as it was a bit deep.

Smile
Stoogy 7
1 Nov 2008 12:46PM
A pretty tough shot that is made to look easy. Cool snap!
Misty56 8 22 1 United Kingdom
5 Dec 2008 7:52PM
your so talented, all your photos inspire me, never will i be as good as you, i love looking at your photos, another great photo, well done
JouŠo 12 56 Finland
3 May 2009 11:21AM
seems to be lots of these magical POTW shot here....

This I would hang on my wall any day!

Jouko
James_C 7 36 56 United Kingdom
30 Jun 2009 6:32PM
Wonderful shot. Full of action and beautifully framed. One to be really proud of.

James
micpowell 6 1
9 Oct 2009 9:56PM
Excellent Catch!

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