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By dangermouse1968
Uploaded this a while ago cos I really liked it but it only got 12 votes. Can somebody suggest why and how it could be improved. Don't spare my feelings!!

Tags: Lake district Keswick Surprise view Landscape and travel

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Techno Plus
13 6.2k 8 England
6 Jan 2009 2:47PM
IMHO I think it is an excellent shot, composition good, probably where it falls down is the Hugh difference in the exposure values, given the opportunity again, this is where HDR/EB processing comes to the fore, three exposures EV +2.0.-2 use Exposure blend or Photomatix.
Sorry if I am teaching you to suck egg's here..

Scott_Scot 17 4 4 Scotland
6 Jan 2009 3:43PM
Ok, ... Since you ask !!! Wink

It is actually a very neary excellent shot. But, ... Not nearly sharp enough!!! There is a dark blue semi-circle in the sky!!! The darks are just too dark but the clouds are blown out. ( forget HDR and just use an N.D. Grad to get it right in-camera. Also turn down the contrast in-camera). Finally, ... The composition is a bit unbalanced. All the interest on the right. A few steps forward and the dead tree would have been on the left of the mountain and balanced the composition better.

All that said, ... It really is quite good and with just a few small tweeks could be excellent.

Hope you are not bummed out. We all learn from each other!! Smile

All the best

Dennis_Bromage 14 45 20 United Kingdom
6 Jan 2009 4:44PM
It's a beautiful place where you took this shot, overlooking Derwent water if I'm correct and one that I've visited many times but also one that I have never managed to come away from with a decent photo. I just don't seem to be able to find a decent composition up there. I guess some places, no matter how beautiful are just not photogenic. In this case as Scotty suggest I think the composition is a bit unbalanced but having been up there and tried it myself I don't know how you could possibly have corrected it especially as its on a steep hillside. The shot also looks over polarized (I assume you where using a polarizer?) and it could be sharper.

Don't lose hart, it's not that it's a particularly bad shot it's just hasn't got that something special that gets the votes.
6 Jan 2009 4:44PM
Thanks for the feedback. I can see what you are both saying. I took this about two years ago when I'd never heard of HDR so I did n't take a +2 / 0 / -2 set.

I can see how a ND grad would have helped but how should it have been positioned over the lens?? Perhaps from the top-edge directly above the dead tree to the top of the hills halfway down the lefthand side?

Sharpness - at that time I I was not shooting RAW and did not use unsharp mask. That's changed now but I wanted to present the picture as I orignally posted.

Can't remember if I used a polarisor or not - could that have caused the dark blue semi-circle in the sky???

Thanks again for you feedback - I'm not bummed at all but motivated to go out and do it better next time!!


Phinickphotos 13 40 1 Scotland
6 Jan 2009 5:18PM
Agree with what has been said. Dead tree is just too bright & dominant- solution: chainsaw. Bottom LHS need some interest- Threemen in a boat or three swans aswimming. Sometimes they work sometimes they don't. I have seen at least one outstanding artistic shot which got less than 5 votes! Don't let it stop you posting, I don't.

Dennis_Bromage 14 45 20 United Kingdom
6 Jan 2009 6:24PM
Hi David

Yes in certain light condition a polarizer can cause this darkening effect. I know this because it happened to me recently when shooting a lake against a blue sky in New Zealand. Thankfully I spotted it (the joys of the 3" screen on my new camera) before I'd moved the tripod and made a second exposure without the polarizer which totally solved the problem. Maybe somebody more knowledgeable can tell us both why?

banehawi Plus
17 2.7k 4282 Canada
6 Jan 2009 7:09PM
A couple of additional comments Dennis.

The file size is only half the size that its allowed to be, and the pixel size is also smaller than allowed. This means it wont look as good as it can when viewed on the site, and also affects the sharpness

The dark area in the sky is a mirror of a dark area right underneath, and theres a bright semi circular area at each side - is it possible the lens shade was on sideways?

Using a polarizer means you need to change the position of the polarizer for it to be effective, the polarizer will work best when its at 90 degrees to the rays of the sun, its intended effect being to block reflections. You need to look at the scene while rotating it to get the result you want. You can get effects not unlike this, but not quite as radical, - I dont think this is a polarizer issue.

The number of votes you get by the way is not an indication of how good or bad your shot is. You will find many portfolios on the site where you regulalrly see 100+ votes on very poor shots, and similarly you can see many HC and EC shots that received very few. Dont let the clicks determine your success!


banehawi Plus
17 2.7k 4282 Canada
6 Jan 2009 7:19PM
Loaded a quick mod.

6 Jan 2009 9:34PM

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I like that, although I can see we are trying to polish a t**d (a little) I like what you've done. The "sweep" round from the bottom right-hand corner looks good and is better than the foreground interest I had (that overwhelmed everything). Cheers, David

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