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Thanks guys, yeah dawn agreed on the washed out and it was deliberate, I'd thought to 'arty & abstract' it a bit to my own taste. I more or less tweeked then filled with light. Point taken though. Thanks pascal to she wears her glasses 24 hrs a day and they always cos trouble!! but i'm glad you spotted this time i was slichtly luckier but still not right!! Oh and bri - i'll tell her!! thanks all....