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Ben Harvey - but is it art?

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Ben Harvey - but is it art?

17 Feb 2021 8:02AM   Views : 541 Unique : 361

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Quite a lot of ideas for this blog are the result of almost-throwaway remarks by others in the EPZ galleries. A while back, one poster said he was aiming for a fine art architectural study, and cited Ben Harvey as the influence. Now, I won’t go as far as saying that when I hear the term ‘fine art’ I reach for my revolver, it does make me very wary indeed.. It seems to be presumptuous for any photographer to claim that what they do is an art, rather than a craft. But I've finally got round to watching Ben Harvey's video of how he edits his architectural images.

It’s rather changed my mind. It is an incredibly complex way of making a picture, and clearly very, very effective. Near the start of the video, Harvey sketches the way he works with a pencil and ruler - and he is obviously either a trained artist or draughtsman, judging from the way that he created an easy and accurate perspective drawing. The way that he filled in shadows with shading and cross-hatching suggests great familiarity both with the concepts of light and shade, and their representation in pencil.

In Photoshop, he uses multiple layers and selections, and - crucially - he carefully adds and adjusts shadow and light in exactly the same way as he would if he was using a pencil or paintbrush instead of a camera, except that it may actually take longer to make the selections in Photoshop...

I don't want to discourage creative editing, but I would suggest that Ben Harvey starts with an absolutely excellent image, and works it patiently and in extreme detail. At the end of the video, he asks for any suggestions of plugins that will do the work, so that he can have his life back... A subsequent video deals with a relatively cheap plugin – but note that it still requires the layers and selective choice of areas to apply effects to…

What he does is definitely art: he is drawing in the light that he wants, while most of us look for the right light, or wait for it. I know that some darkroom workers go to extreme lengths to draw the image they want from their negatives (Ansel Adams's 'Moonrise over Hernandez, New Mexico' is a classic example), but the fact that once the work is done, a digital image can be printed repeatedly means that a far greater investment of time in a single image may be worthwhile. Together with the use of Layers, to allow each aspect of the processing to be refined later, the game has changed, and radically.

I think that I am probably too old to learn and apply such meticulous processing (given that I like a more immediate approach to things), but I thoroughly admire anyone who has the patience and the vision to do what Ben Harvey does! If extreme editing interests you, the videos that I watched will fascinate you: and you may be moved to go looking for B&W Artisan…

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17 Feb 2021 8:04AM
OK - so my pictures prove that it takes more than a mono conversion and a bit of contrast to make a shot of modern buildings into fine art: I suspect that adding a big stopper ND filter for streaky skies wouldn't make the difference, either.

Even if you don't want to do it, you really ought to see what Mr Harvey does. The pictures are pretty special!
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17 Feb 2021 8:19AM
Interesting insight into how he creates his image, thanks for making me aware of Ben Harvey. I shall watch some of his YouTube content, if it is anyware near as good as the images on his website it will be worth my time to tune in and see how he does things. Thanks again

BTW on his website Mr Harvey states that he is "a qualified Architect"
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17 Feb 2021 10:37AM
Well that's a deep one! Although I definitely admire some of the 'fine-art architecture' images that seem to be the height of fashion these days, in my book it's still a kind of plagiarism. That's because it's 'just' a derivative image of what someone else has already designed and considered how every facet and viewpoint will look. I'll give you an example. A few years ago I fell out big time with someone online. I used to add a Digimarc watermark on my uploaded images and found one of my ballerina photos on this guy's website as the 'reference image' for one of his paintings. Basically he'd created a CAD program that converted an image into colour contour lines. Basically he'd downlowded my image and used his computer program to print a 'painting by numbers' template onto a 36 inch wide piece of canvas. He'd then coloured it in with oils and put it on sale in his gallery for €1200. 'His' looked exactly like my image and as far as I am concerned it was still copyright theft. His view was that he painted the canvas, so he owned the copyright! So, to me, Photoshopping architecture is no different.. Similarly is it equally OK to Photoshop somebody's graffiti in an arty way and take credit? What brought it home to me was that a few years ago I was one of nine photographers asked to take part in an invitation exhibition at a gallery. One of the other photographers was the designer Paul Smith. His images were of architectural lines and they were a lovely tribute to the architects. But I was left thinking how creative a designer Paul Smith is, yet he was 'merely' producing excellent record shots of the work of others.
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17 Feb 2021 9:29PM
Thank you, Peter! I hadn't spotted that, and it explains why he is so good with a pencil, and 'sees' buildings so clearly.

Paul - yes, and no. I suspect the whole point of buildings is to be seen and appreciated, and when the view is as creative as Mr Harvey's, I see no great harm. Your other example is, to my mind, simple theft: and I recall seeing a 'tribute to Niki Flynn' on a website that included one of my images of her... Nobody's ever asked me for permission to use the shot. I don't think anyone else has asked her to cover herself in potter's clay...
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17 Feb 2021 9:43PM

Quote:... I suspect the whole point of buildings is to be seen and appreciated, and when the view is as creative as Mr Harvey's, I see no great harm. Your other example is, to my mind, simple theft: and I recall seeing a 'tribute to Niki Flynn' on a website that included one of my images of her... Nobody's ever asked me for permission to use the shot. I don't think anyone else has asked her to cover herself in potter's clay...


I suppose what belies my (not intentionally) negative comments is that I like my images to be borne of my own imagination. So that's why I do very little of things that you can Google: landscapes, buildings, flowers, etc. Obviously photography is an individual pursuit and each individual needs to shoot what feels important/significant to them.

As for Nikki Flynn and clay, I have plans for clay-coated models after the lockdown ends 😊
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20 2.1k 2048 England
18 Feb 2021 7:05AM
Hint: DON'T mix the clay in an old-fashioned Kenwood. It goes all over the kitchen. Use a modern food processor with a LID. Late addition of warm water is appreciated by models - the latent heat of evaporation cools them down quite a bit!
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18 Feb 2021 8:44AM

Quote:Hint: DON'T mix the clay in an old-fashioned Kenwood. It goes all over the kitchen. Use a modern food processor with a LID. Late addition of warm water is appreciated by models - the latent heat of evaporation cools them down quite a bit!


Thanks. Yes, I was planning on waiting for one of the hottest summer's days 😇 I'm only sad that I missed a bargain. I saw a working potters wheel going for £30 locally. I dithered for half a day by which time it had sold. Now they're all £200+ 😕
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18 Feb 2021 10:49AM
We are thinking, I guess, of a Demi Moore-style session. Maybe with added nudity...
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18 Feb 2021 10:57AM
I've got several series of images part completed around baking, ironing, doing the washing, and other genres that I probably shouldn't elaborate on here 😈 But I've yet to start shooting pottery ones. I've got lots of ideas with one and two models that are a little out of the ordinary, rather than the cliché ones. We just need to get out of lockdown before I can get started. As for nudity, it would be a shame to get clay on models' clothes. As I bet the fine particles will stain them. See, it just goes to show how considerate I am 😇
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