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9 Mar 2021 9:13AM   Views : 441 Unique : 290

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Time to talk about male nudes again… And we need to acknowledge that we live in an asymmetrical culture, where – on the whole – young and beautiful women can trade on their erotic capital, but young men cannot. That’s enough to start a very divisive argument between those who believe that sexual capital shouldn’t exist and everyone else: and between those who see the whole thing as really rather nasty, and the result of the patriarchy.

That’s not the sum total of viewpoints, though. There are sex positive feminists, and there’s also the tabloid tendency to complain loudly about anything that will increase circulation. One daily rag had the distinction of leading a campaign in Ireland to allow teenage girls to have vaccinations to prevent sexually transmitted diseases, while the British edition campaigned against the availability of vaccine here. If there’s a pot, stir it!

I’m old enough to remember when the audit section in a council had to beg calendars from the architects’ department (our budget didn’t stretch to calendars): building firms supplied more Mayfair calendars than you could shake a plumb line at, and they went on the walls. This would now be unthinkable… Unless, perhaps, the slightly more subtle Calendar Girls approach found favour. Parity, with the Farmer’s Boy calendar on the opposite wall might solve a problem or two, but would upset the uptight.

I think we need to acknowledge that all human bodies are beautiful to someone, and confine the argument to what constitutes bad taste. Male nudity is necessarily rather more obvious than the female equivalent: I shall leave it to the brave to look up the Mull of Kintyre rule that still operates in many places.

I’ll introduce one of my favourite Australians here – Germaine Greer. She has a try-it-out approach, and that extended to posing nude (and I believe fairly tastelessly) for photographs in the Seventies, and editing a book of male nudes a few years ago. Whatever else the debate is, it’s definitely not cut and dried!

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20 2.1k 2048 England
9 Mar 2021 9:15AM
OK - there are a dozen books on photographing the female for everyone on the male. Maybe a hundred.

Theories about why this is the case will be welcome, as will any other comments shedding light on the area.
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9 Mar 2021 11:46AM
Well the last company that I worked for had a fair policy on calendars. Their customers got to choose between four: Landscapes, Cityscapes, naked women, or naked men.
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19 7 11 United Kingdom
9 Mar 2021 12:48PM
Honestly...I just don't think women are as interested in general that is, at looking at nude males/females unless they are in the context of a connection. Say in a film, a magazine or a relationship. Ouch...a knife just hit me between the shoulder blades!!! Better now qualify that statement by saying me, personally, wouldn't be. Maybe the less number of books is purely a reflection of demand?

My maternal Nana was a born and bred, woman of the earth, born Lancastrian and would discuss anything woman. On watching an extremely tame sex scene in The BBC, Wednesday Play series, (for younger EPZ members - Google), I can hear her laughter as she said to me, "All well and good lass but I'd rather have a beef pudding!" Enough said...
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9 Mar 2021 12:51PM
That works!

But way back in the early Noughties it was a firm policy in councils that there would be no nudes on office walls (I reckon this got relaxed a bit in some depots and workshops, but it was still a firm policy). And this affected publishing policies: Creative Monochrome, a niche publisher of black-and-white photobooks, printed a calendar with 13 pages - the extra one was a substitute for the nude in one of the originally-chosen images...

But there's a difference between what companies offer as promotional devices and what they allow on their own premises...
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20 2.1k 2048 England
9 Mar 2021 2:38PM
Sorry - we were writing at the same time, and I've only just seen your comment, 90 minutes later.

A valid point, definitely. I wonder, though, whether there's also a social convention. But researching that might take us well beyond the realm of Ephotozine!

And yes, the Wednesday Play was heady stuff in its day, but tame by modern standards: and without the benefit of intimacy consultants.
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19 7 11 United Kingdom
9 Mar 2021 4:56PM
I did not know they employed someone as an intimacy consultant!!GrinGrin Never, you're having a giraffe??? Surely a props hand with just a bucket of water and a loud hailer would suffice//WinkWink

What would Nana say? Born in 1900 and two World Wars lived through, she would be laughing her head off!

Loved The Wednesday Plays...
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9 Mar 2021 5:34PM
Intimacy consultants are a thing now, to ensure actors are not exploited or uncomfortable. Really.

There was an article in the Radio Times a few weeks back, and it caused a blog here... I've realised that the title I used for it was also a film, back in 2001, with Mark Rylance and Kerry Fox, for which such consultancy would have been relevant.
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cooky Plus
19 7 11 United Kingdom
9 Mar 2021 6:52PM
And now the theme of 'It's a whole new world!' is playing as background music in my head... You would think that contracts, agents, directors and producers would have had this lot covered and then you think Harvey Weinstein...Maybe they are needed.
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9 Mar 2021 7:39PM

Quote:What would Nana say? Born in 1900 and two World Wars lived through, she would be laughing her head off!


Maybe there's a misconception about nanas from the 1900s. As I know of someone who has had a lewd tattoo on her lower back with the sole intention of shocking nurses who are changing her underwear in a nursing home when she's in her 90s!
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19 7 11 United Kingdom
9 Mar 2021 8:15PM
I think you maybe under the misconception that my Nana would have been shocked AltImages - further from the truth you could not be!!WinkWink

I nursed, good luck with shock tactics! Wink

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10 Mar 2021 6:47AM
Speaking of grandmothers... My maternal grandmother was a nurse. I believe the usual reception into the profession when she started was to have an amputated leg thrown at you... There is perhaps more to grandmothers (and their daughters) than may meet the casual eye... My Mum, a vicar's wife, was a volunteer at the local family planning clinic in the Sixties: perhaps not something that won the approval of all the churchwardens and PCC members.
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19 7 11 United Kingdom
10 Mar 2021 2:12PM
Bless you Dudler, no pun intended...You are the son of a preacher man! Your Mum is a star! Hope you still have her.
I was brought up a member of CoE and my dad was the Vicar's Warden for years! Bet your Mum's actions were a little frowned on to say the least!

My Dad was a free thinker, he would have backed your Mum up wholeheartedly!

The Nursing, went straight from Grammar School to becoming a Cadet Nurse. Hard work but loved it! Nobody spared your blushes although didn't have a leg thrown at me!
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