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We all know what that term means, don’t we? And I find that I casually despise anything that comes under the name: I find ThatSite hard to navigate, because it moves stuff around, and there are so many inane comments made. Yes, I am (I suppose) one of the liberal elite, in that I went to university and have socially liberal views, but I also like orderliness and the ability to find what I saw yesterday without being advertised at.

A couple of times, members posting in the Critique Gallery here have commented that they get far more helpful feedback on Ephotozine than on Facebook, and that’s what I’d expect. Members there are not necessarily photographers, whereas all EPZ members have a real commitment to the hobby (or profession).

I posted a really awful bird picture (which also appeared here) on FB, commenting that I wasn’t happy with it as a photograph (as opposed to a snap): one friend told me I was wrong, very simply. I get where she’s coming from, but she clearly doesn’t get where I’m sitting. Fine as a snap, but not the stuff of EPZ awards.

And we all know about someone who suffered a lot from trolling on mainstream social media: the ‘Twitterstorm’ has an equivalent everywhere. People who seem to enjoy making outers uncomfortable – a reason why some people close accounts temporarily.

The same sort of thing can happen on model-photographer networking sites. On the one hand, you’re encouraged to visit the forums, but on the other, it’s easy to end up in a disagreement that you’re not really interested in. It can feel like that Monty Python sketch about booking an argument. The full half hour…

Two questions for you, and one thought.

Is EPZ a ‘social medium’? Certainly, I’ve made more new and real friends here than on any other website, by miles. There’s a real sense of community. But we’re all clustered round the pictures: we have a common, uniting interest. (I’ll admit that my wife is part of a Facebook gardening group which provides her with both information and a chance to share her own knowledge, but it still feels a little less constrained and focussed on the point than we usually are here! And I tend not to visit the EPZ forums a lot.)

Do you find this a generally congenial place? My own impression is that it’s like an idealised camera club, where people share and enjoy in a generally uncompetitive way, valuing insights as much as votes and awards, and sharing a generous spirit – if you have other experiences, please say something, possibly to one of the moderators, who are a generally nice bunch.

The thought? Do definitions matter very much, providing the experience is positive, technically and socially? One of my favourite children’s books is about a panda who travels the world to find out if he’s a white bear with black patches, or a black one with white patches. In the end, he goes home knowing that he is a bear who makes music with his flute.

I am a person who makes pictures with his camera.


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dudler Avatar
dudler Plus
20 2.1k 2048 England
12 Oct 2020 9:00AM
Sorry - this is quite an introspective blog, so you get two of my daughter-in-law's portraits of me with it. Emma's in business doing this sort of thing, and I think she does it rather well.
nellacphoto Avatar
12 Oct 2020 4:55PM
Firstly John, your daughter in law is doing a pretty good job. Nice natural light in these photos, especially the top one.

I am delighted to agree that there is a really nice feeling about EPZ ... just npleasant comments as well as constructive ones too at times.

And I too have met one or two very nice people from the site.

But I know what you mean about other social media. I use Facebook a lot and will continue to do so.

But there are always one or two strange people out there. I wonder at times what their motivation is. From what I've observed, it's often to do with the mediocre standard of their own work ... Smile

I belong to four Venice Carnival Facebook groups. I have got to know a lot of the costumes through these and often say hi at the Carnivals.

For a few months now I have been posting one of my favourite photos each day. I give them the title "Photo of the day ..."

Some Italian guy seems to have taken issue with this and has twice now complained of my use of the words "Photo of the day ...", preceding his comments with "Ha hahahaha ..."

One of these photos received over 300 likes from other Group members.

I've tried to explain that it's just my choice of picture for the day ... and I'm not suggesting it's the greatest, winning, photo of the day.

I couldn't really care. There's a lot more I could say to him but haven't and won't bother. I think it's the responses that internet trolls get off on.

Anyway, thank goodness for EPZ. Let's hope it remains the sensible sociable place it is.

Colin Smile
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mistere Plus
10 37 8 England
12 Oct 2020 5:52PM
Or perhaps Anti-social media.
I had a very brief existence on 'that site' a few years ago. Never again, not for all the tea in China, no way and not on your nelly.
It's funny, in a very sad way. Everyone i know who's on there doesn't really like it, but ???. I suppose it has it's uses especially for Mr Z.
EPZ, on the other hand. A nice place to be, if you like that sort of thing Smile, which we do.
chase Avatar
chase Plus
18 2.5k 682 England
12 Oct 2020 6:19PM
This site must be the most friendly and helpful photographically based sites around, ask a question, it gets answered, ask for help it's given, even with non photography based subjects/topics.
It's kinda social media but far more social than media.
I don't do 'thatothersite', people here generally have more time/inclination to help, inspire and advise.
Caring and sharing is very important these days.

Nice images of you btw, you should use the top one as your profile picture.
dark_lord Avatar
dark_lord Plus
19 3.0k 836 England
12 Oct 2020 8:30PM

Quote:It's kinda social media but far more social than media

That sort of sums up my feelings about epz too.

Any site that relies on user input and user generated input is 'social media' in the broadest sense as it's an online community. Even if that community is small.
Before 'that site' was up I'd joined epz and gone on some meets arranged by other members. So, certainly photographic in terms of a shared interest, and also no doubt abut the 'social' side of things in terms of meeting up with real people behind a username.

I don't do other photo sites because my time is spent here and it's a good place to be.
dudler Avatar
dudler Plus
20 2.1k 2048 England
12 Oct 2020 9:33PM
Thank you for that thought, Janet! With luck, profile pic and avatar both updated. Replacing (in one case) a shot taken for a work I/D card in 2008, as I recall.
saltireblue Avatar
saltireblue Plus
13 14.5k 89 Norway
13 Oct 2020 8:55AM
I use the 'place which shall not be named' - my name for it is Fæcesbook, the Norwegian letter 'æ' coming into its own - mainly because all the live gigs I photograph, or did until Covid changed the world, are advertised and organised there, so for me it is a kind of diary which keeps me in the loop. It is especially useful for the two bands for whom I am the unofficial official photographer, as is an annual weekend music festival I am heavily involved in photographically.

ePz is more of a closed community of like-minded individuals, where any trolls or disruptive elements would not last long before being firmly put in their place. Many have lefet hte site in the course of the years because members (not moderators) have told them in no uncertain terms what they think of their behaviour...there have been a few diva-like flounces... Other SoMo sites are far more open and therefore open to abuse from those who get their kicks in the way they do...
dudler Avatar
dudler Plus
20 2.1k 2048 England
13 Oct 2020 9:06AM
An interesting perspective, Malc - thank you.

One of the things that's important to me is the ability to find what I looked at yesterday, impossible on Fæcesbook.

And we have a better class of moderator here, as well...
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bluesandtwos 13 544 1 England
13 Oct 2020 9:24AM
I might be the only person in the western world who doesn't use any social media sites, if my family or friends want me to know or see something they tell me or show me. No adverts, no drivel, no pictures of the meal someone is about to eat or their dogs doing something cute, just the things they know I would like or be interested in.

Now here (EPZ) it is different, we share a common interest and everyone is so friendly. I have yet to meet any EPZ ers in 'the real world' ( would have met Sir Graham of newt fame this year at our soap box derby, but it was sadly cancelled), yet you do feel as though you really know the people here.

And as for the freely given help and advice, it is second to none. I needed advice on searching Patents for a restoration project I'm helping with, I posted in the Forums and within hours a member here had not only sent me a link to the one I wanted, but also the site for searching if we needed more ( thank you Dark Lord Smile)

I'm lucky, being an old dud and retired I can choose who I spend my time with, I will only spend time with people I like, and I like 'being' here!

John, your Daughter in law, takes great portraits, but I bet even with her talent I would look mad, Victorian, or both!!!GrinGrinGrin

Also thank you for your blogs, you may move in a different world to me, but I always enjoy reading them.

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dudler Plus
20 2.1k 2048 England
13 Oct 2020 3:00PM
Mad Victorians are very characterful, Dave...

I agree - this is a fine community, and it's given me a great deal over the years. Long may it continue!

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