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Dungarvan harbour

By Footski
It was a very grey uninspiring day, so having taken the shot, I converted it to B&W and added a vignette to add some mood. When printed out at 60cm x 45cm, it looked quite good.

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paulbroad 13 131 1293 United Kingdom
11 Nov 2013 9:27AM
Converting to mono was not a good idea. Nt sure if your original was under exposed or your conversion is at fault but the result is compressed tones even for mono.

You need to work with the channel mixer to separate the shades of grey and add some contrast and brightness. Converting to mono is often not a good idea and rarely rescues images. The vignette is not strong and thus OK by me, but even in good lighting, I would have stayed with colour for such a shot.

Footski 8 9 United Kingdom
11 Nov 2013 10:05AM
Thanks for your comments. I converted it as the colour image was not good. I will try looking at the channels and see if I can improve things.
mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.8k 2403 United Kingdom
11 Nov 2013 1:30PM
I like your composition, first off. There's a very satisfying diagonal running from the boat top left via the two buoys to the foreground boats. Mono makes us aware of the structure of an image, rather than the details.
I think I would have allowed a bit less sky and a bit more space at the bottom for the reflections, but that's personal. I like reflections!
Flipping horizontally could give an interesting comparison in mood.
I think I would get rid of the detail in the water bottom left.
Much more importantly, for b%w to work it needs a greater dynamic range, in particular it needs real whites, for the water to sparkle. Although the image has a dark, moody feel, enhanced by the vignette, you still want the sense of depth that surface detail and sparkle in the water can give.
I love b&w, it's how I 'see'; but don't regard it as an automatic cure-all for colour problems (If it's s****, black and white...). Remember that you need to check the light balance after conversion.
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Footski 8 9 United Kingdom
11 Nov 2013 2:26PM
Thanks for your comments. I think I am going to like it here. Learning and improving is what I am trying to achieve.
Footski 8 9 United Kingdom
11 Nov 2013 4:00PM
Thank you for your efforts. They may be subtle, but you have certainly improved the image. I am not so keen on the flipped image as it puts my friends apartment in the wrong

mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.8k 2403 United Kingdom
11 Nov 2013 5:49PM
Thanks, it's good to get feedback, a lot of the time we don't actually know if we are helping people or not!
banehawi Plus
16 2.4k 4233 Canada
12 Nov 2013 8:11PM
Hi barry. I like the shot overall. Seeing the vignette, I thought it would look better without it, as it seems a little too strong for me. At least I wanted to see the difference.

I do believe it looks better, - its in a mod, view large.

What I found interesting though is that when the vignette is removed, there are a lot of odd artifacts in the lighter area. The sky, as an example, has this strange semi-circular sort of swipe in the upper right. Ive never seen anything quite like it before.

Not a lot I can do with them, but I wonder if the process of conversion and re sizing might have caused this. Im sure it wasnt in your from the camera original?

Anyway, its theres to check out.


Footski 8 9 United Kingdom
12 Nov 2013 8:51PM
Thanks for that. Mod not visible. Exif updated.
banehawi Plus
16 2.4k 4233 Canada
14 Nov 2013 3:18PM
Sorry Barry, - the mod is there now. Its the fifth and sixth in the row. I tried drawing a line on the circular swirl on mod6, bit its not showing. Looks a little like a a winscreen wiper Mark. I wonder what it is?

Footski 8 9 United Kingdom
14 Nov 2013 3:48PM
I can see the marks you talk about in all the corners. I reckon it is where you have removed the vignette.......Definitely not on my original.
banehawi Plus
16 2.4k 4233 Canada
14 Nov 2013 10:40PM
Its also in the original Barry, its just easier to see without thew vignette. Removing a vignette simply brightens the corners, doesnt add anything at all.

If I were to guess, it could be some smear on the lens from cleaning in a circular motion. Look closely at the version you uploaded here, - you can certainly see it.

Theres a small chance its got something to do with how resizing is done. How did you apply the vignette? Might be a clue there.

If you still have the original un processed shot, I would love to see it. You can mail me at, perhaps I can figure out how it got there.


Footski 8 9 United Kingdom
15 Nov 2013 12:02AM
Now this is odd. You are right. It is there on the mono, but not on the original colour shot which I have emailed to you. I think the conversion and vignette must have been added in camera, but I cannot really remember as I had nearly 400 shots of our week away.

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