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Crummock water

By JohnParminter  
A late evening view up one of the lesser visited Lakeland waters.

A typical exposure time for me of 1/8th of a second, I took the identical scene with the 10 stop filter and made a 2 minute and 15 second exposure.

I wonder what your thoughts are between the more traditional image and Big Stopper image.

The 2 minute exposure in V2

Tags: Landscape and travel

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2 Aug 2010 9:58AM
Interesting comparison John. I much prefer the look of the 'normal exposure' - more definition and colour variation in the clouds and their reflection.

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dathersmith 10 558 12 England
2 Aug 2010 10:01AM
A good comparrison John and I'm with Paul on this one, prefer the 'normal' exposure here although the 10 stopper does have its place and I do intend getting one sometime.

CathR 10 151 564 United Kingdom
2 Aug 2010 10:10AM
Ah ha, I wondered whether a Big Stopper had been used here, before I looked at your text. Perhaps I am not the right person to give an unbiased view because I am a Big Stopper fan. I have just got my own after a longish wait and I am itching to get out and get going with it.

So perhaps no surprise that I do prefer V2. I think it is because in smoothing out the clouds it simplifies the shot, particularly the cloud reflections in the water. In V1 the cloud reflections are just a little too much perhaps, so the scene looks just that little bit too busy. The light is slightly better though in V1 - I like how the tops of the hills in the far distance are lit up, also the tops of the trees to the right. V2 may be slightly underexposed? I guess it is difficult to work out the timings for a Big Stopper exposure and there is an element of trial and error.

Perhaps also the clouds were not at their best for the Big Stopper to work. The large mass to the left looks practically the same in both shots. I would imagine it works best where you have more broken cloud.

Having said all that I don't want to appear too critical. I think both shots are very high quality.

Best wishes

2 Aug 2010 10:15AM
Beautiful shot - V1 for me !

woodrow 10 153 Scotland
2 Aug 2010 10:28AM
Hello John

a good comparison here and perhaps important given the rise in popularity of the 'Big Stopper'; for me the natural image v1 is the winner. exceptional clarity and a mirror image with the reflection in the still water

perhaps v2 with the stopper would be a worthwhile b+w conversion? i think the stopper has its place and i confess to having one on order for seascapes

good work as ever John


ripleysalien Plus
11 1.2k 11 United Kingdom
2 Aug 2010 10:32AM
I agree regarding both shots being very good.
The 10 stopper shot is really nice and has a very different feel to it, but V1 for me has a crispness or is it clarity? anyway V1 for me.
Morgs 9 20 62 Wales
2 Aug 2010 10:42AM
V1 for me which is unusual as I love the long exposures. The light catching the trees on the right in V1 seems to balance the shot. This light is lost in V2 and as a result looks a little underexposed. Two beautiful shots though!
JohnParminter 10 1.3k 14 England
2 Aug 2010 10:52AM
Cheers all, I think I prefer the normal shot if only because it isn't contentious exposure-wise. It probably has a bit more impact as well with the sharper clouds and more evenly distributed light perhaps. V2 suffered slightly as the Sun was just about dipping too low on the right and I was loosing it in that area.

Cheers all,
Vpics 7 20 6 Wales
2 Aug 2010 10:55AM
Hi John!!
Thought i recognised the photo Smile
It's VI for me, i like the effect of the ND filter on the clouds and their reflection in V2 but i prefer the overall sharpness of the image in V1 which seems to give it a bit more bite and dare i say it....... more impact Smile
Both up to your usual very high standard though!!

JohnParminter 10 1.3k 14 England
2 Aug 2010 11:05AM
I tend to agree with you Vic.
2 Aug 2010 11:49AM
Loverly image,lighting just right. JT
Brewster 12 4 Scotland
2 Aug 2010 11:54AM
I think you have admitted yourself that V1 has to be the winner. The composition is far more tonaly balanced due to the bright cloud on the RHS and its reflection, which balance nicely the sunlit hillside on the left. This is lost in the long exposure due to light levels and the blurring of the clouds and reflections.

Great shot.

MarkBroughton 10 286 1 England
2 Aug 2010 1:53PM
I think both images are beautiful landscapes which you were gifted with the light and calm waters. I think my preference is for V1, but V2 is worthy of its own airing...and I think V1 deserves a GE award, as the light is slightly better imho.
JohnParminter 10 1.3k 14 England
2 Aug 2010 1:59PM
Cheers Mark, much appreciated. I am inclined towards V1 as well.

Angi_Wallace 9 172 10 United Kingdom
2 Aug 2010 2:07PM
Both very beautiful images, I'm having great difficulty choosing which I prefer as I like them both for different reasons. Great to see them together for comparisson though.
Sorry no CC, I'm not really qualified in that area Wink
rontear Plus
14 8 8 England
2 Aug 2010 2:21PM
Prefer the natural image, nature has a way with cloudscapes that you have captured in V1 that is reflected in the water to add depth to the image. Big stoppers have their use in other directions John. Ron.
tmann 12 4 2 United States
2 Aug 2010 2:30PM
Both work for me, got to love how much the sky will change a photo stunning work!
Niknut Plus
7 1.7k 76 United Kingdom
2 Aug 2010 4:54PM
The light in V1 sways it for me, a gorgeous shot of Crummock with perfect reflections...nice work ! I couldn't resist a slight mod, to add a little 'something' to the scene, hope you don't mind ?
Good pic
pmorgan 11 217 13 England
2 Aug 2010 6:39PM
Cant decide John - print them both! Wink

MalcolmS Plus
12 1.2k 13 England
2 Aug 2010 7:03PM
V1 for me John, the clouds in V2 are just a little too unnatural

User_Removed 7 10 1 United Kingdom
2 Aug 2010 7:34PM
Hello John, As I'm a complete novice my view is completely the other side. Looked hard and I enjoy both images for different reasons but, for me v2 has impact and draws me into the image, while v2 is busy and a lovely record of the day.

Then I read all the above, just to show I know nothing Smile

Always enjoy your work
JohnParminter 10 1.3k 14 England
2 Aug 2010 10:07PM
Your opinion is just as valid Dave, there are no right and wrongs just opinions.

Cheers all
NEWMANP 9 1.6k 574 United Kingdom
2 Aug 2010 10:31PM
v1 for me, the lighting is beautful v2 is perhaps more arty and fashionable but the cloud formations are strong and interesting and the water suitable reflective and yet still retaining the translucence and the whole composition hangs together beautifully.

i have seen wonderous things happen to skies with the 10 stoppers but here it has spread in an attractive way but not dynamic. also the light on the right side seems less effective in the longer exposure.

moving past the comparisons its a beautiful scene with stunning light and congratulations on the GE award
James_C 8 36 56 United Kingdom
3 Aug 2010 7:33AM
I take everyones point about v1 over v2 and go along with it, but to me the lesson to learn from this is that if you want the eye to concentrate on the land part of the subject then v2 wins hands down, however, if you are interseted in the whole then v1. I am torn between the two so my vote is for both and particularly for your showing us the comparrison and making me think.
Thanks very much,

JohnParminter 10 1.3k 14 England
3 Aug 2010 8:23AM
Cheers Phil and James. Good comment there James, I think I want to concentrate on the whole so V1 probably pips it.

Been an interesting exercise.
Porthos 7 1 Northern Ireland
3 Aug 2010 10:37AM
Lovely image. I prefer the clarity in the traditional V1 image.....Derek
Nigel_95 Plus
11 262 2 United Kingdom
3 Aug 2010 10:02PM
No contest, V1 for me. Wonderful light and colours.

oll1e Plus
10 57 2 United Kingdom
5 Aug 2010 3:23AM
Hi John, ok v1 is excellent but v2 has lots of quality as well ,i think though v1 just edges it for clarity and better light,it seems v2 has rendered the water more flatter.I would print both though .It reminds me of an image my ole mate Neil Higgins took and thats a good thing.(just wish he'd pick up a camera again)
Dennis_Bromage 10 45 20 United Kingdom
5 Aug 2010 3:31PM
Definitely V1 for me. I've had a 10 stopper for a couple of years and I do like them but for me they're best employed when the light is ordinary or worse, when they give the opportunity to create something out of nothing so to speak. When the light's as good as this I couldn't contemplate spoil things with a long exposure. Obviously they're very fashionable right now but I personally think they're just a fad and in a year or two V2 will look dated were as V1 is pure quality and I have no doubt at all that it will stand the test of time and look as good in 2 or even 10 years as it does now Smile

Hope that didn't sound too opinionated?
JohnParminter 10 1.3k 14 England
5 Aug 2010 5:20PM
Nope Den, I quite agree with you on this particular image. I think there is a case more for the 10 stopper in less favourable conditions to try and eek something out.

8 Aug 2010 10:15PM
Fabulous colours in the first shot. I think the ten stopper would work much better with more movement in the water to give that dreamlike misty effect. Great composition.
arive 8 United Kingdom
28 Sep 2010 12:49PM
comparing this pictures - I prefer the first one - it`s more saturated.. fabulous colors , a play of light is visible..more details.. , but watching them separately both are top-rate ones.. double 5 for both from me

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