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Coffe Time II

By Lakkou  
This is the second try of coffe time.
I took in consideration the crituques; I changed the background to ardoise on black tissue, I used a lightning tent, I made a lot of shot but I removed the chocolate piece (even if I love it) I kept focus on coffee, the photo was a little empty and sad so I added these coffee beans and of course only one spoon in the photo. may I make it better?

Tags: Still life Coffee Coffee beans

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25 Oct 2017 8:52PM
Lovely design, really comes off.

Mike
Lakkou 4 Tunisia
25 Oct 2017 9:13PM
Thank you Mike Smile

Akram
mrswoolybill Plus
15 3.1k 2476 United Kingdom
25 Oct 2017 9:41PM
I like the arrangement, the slight overlap of beans over spoon gives a structural sense, the diagonal is strong and the exposure on the white porcelain (a very difficult subject) is more even here. But the overall effect for me is underexposed and dull. This is particularly evident in the coffee beans, which look dull, flat.

I've lightened somewhat, this gives more of a 3-dimensional feel to the beans, though it also lightens the coffee. This needs seriously strong black coffee!

But the big problem for me is the light reflected on the surface immediately below the cup. There needs to be shadow there, to 'ground' the cup. Otherwise it appears to be floating in space. Hope that makes sense.
Moira

Lakkou 4 Tunisia
25 Oct 2017 10:18PM
Thank you Moira,

your comments are always valuable, I'm happy to know that the exposure on white porcelain is a difficult subject because I really suffered to get a result like this and I have to find an exposure that make the bean not so dark and the cup not so bright (with a sort of blur), the mod you made is really nice and give to one question is it acceptable to use photoshop to correct exposure on beans and keep the coffee untouched?

I'm going to work on version three where I'll keep the design and work again on lighting and shadow, background.

Thank you again Moira to take the time to cgive me your critiques that allow me to go Forward.

Akram
dudler Plus
18 1.8k 1895 England
25 Oct 2017 10:20PM
Definitely a big technical improvement. Moira nails it with her mod, brighter.

Looking down, and with the stark geometry of the cup, I wonder if there's a slight tilt to it, which the angled sides disguise?
Lakkou 4 Tunisia
25 Oct 2017 10:33PM
Thank you very much John,

When you say it I have a doubt now ! I put the ardoise on an old cartoon box that could make this tilt. from now on I'll give more attention on the device I'm using.
banehawi Plus
17 2.7k 4282 Canada
25 Oct 2017 11:11PM
This is much better.

I believe though that it should be all about the beans, and that the coffee cup is not even needed. If it must be there, a smaller one is better. as it is, its veru dominant, and the composition is unbalanced. Overall, I would shoot from a lower perspective.


To show what I mean, Ive made the beans the centre of attention in mod1, with a smaller, darker cup; mod 2 has no cup at all. Either of these I think is better.



Regards


Willie
Lakkou 4 Tunisia
25 Oct 2017 11:19PM
Thank you Willie,

I like the two mods, in version 3 I will use a smaller one and shoot from a lower perspective.

There is another idea I'm going to shoot, where there will be coffee beans, cinnamon and star anise I hope it will give something nice.

Akram
pablophotographer 10 2.0k 416
26 Oct 2017 1:02AM
Hi Akram.
Here are my thoughts.
The frame seems odd. Too long but not too high. Is this a cropped image?
The arrangement of the items in the frame seems odd to me, both the spoon and the cup are very near the edges of the frame. I think you should have used a wider focal length say 50mm. Take some time to appreciate the shape of the cup handle. Doesn't it look like number seven? Bring the spoon on the right of the handle, use an angle to make it look like number one. Add a coffee bean on the spoon, drop some in the coffee, place and some in front of the cup. If you want them to shine, apply some coconut oil on a cloth and polish the beans. Not only they look good but they taste good too.
Make your coffee look warm by adding some vapour... one way or another... Blow some cigarette smoke, bring a steamer or use a steam iron to create the supposedly hot coffee effect.
pablophotographer
Lakkou 4 Tunisia
26 Oct 2017 8:18AM
Hi Pablo,
Thank you for your comments, actually the image is cropped as the ardoise (which is not a big piece) was thrown in the backyard since years I only kept the good place.

adding vapour smoke is a good idea but I don't know if this is acceptable, I already asked in the answer to Moira if I could use photoshop to add brightness to one element only in the photo.
mrswoolybill Plus
15 3.1k 2476 United Kingdom
26 Oct 2017 8:38AM
Hi Akram, great feedback, thanks so much for entering into a conversation - it makes all the difference!

I'll just take up two points:


Quote: I'm happy to know that the exposure on white porcelain is a difficult subject because I really suffered to get a result like this and I have to find an exposure that make the bean not so dark and the cup not so bright (with a sort of blur), the mod you made is really nice and give to one question is it acceptable to use photoshop to correct exposure on beans and keep the coffee untouched?


My opinion is: get the exposure as near as possible to correct in camera. Shoot Raw files which will record all data available rather than the camera making its own selection as happens in a jpeg. And then make use of that data for the final 'polishing' adjustments. A digital image is made partly at the time of taking, partly in the processing afterwards. Once you start moving things around, adding or subtracting detail that becomes more invasive, manipulative. But simply adjusting exposure, including doing so selectively for different areas of the image, is doing no more than photographers have done in the darkroom for 150 years and more.


Quote:When you say it I have a doubt now ! I put the ardoise on an old cartoon box that could make this tilt.


I suspect that you are using an on-line translator? You put a piece of slate on an old cardboard box, in order to get the tilt. I would say that this adds a further unnecessary complication!

I like the way you are experimenting, it's how we all learn. You don't actually learn anything if you get it 100% right first time!
Moira
Lakkou 4 Tunisia
26 Oct 2017 8:58AM
Thqnk you very much Moira,

You answer me about the question on what we can do in modifications.
Actually I don't want a tilt but I supposed that the use of an old box could be the reason of the tilt.

Thank you for your encouragement Smile

Yes I'm trying to improve my Englisdh and sometimes I use google translator Blush

Akram
paulbroad Plus
14 131 1293 United Kingdom
26 Oct 2017 1:55PM
Not sure what you are trying to achieve with these. They don't make me fancy a cup of coffee.The lighting is heavy and the effect thus muddy, lacking rightness and appeal. There also needs to be really crisp sharp focusing.

You have negative exposure compensation which is not helping and some stronger directional light might add a bit of sparkle, but the bottom line is considerable under exposure which reduces appeal and impact.

Paul
Lakkou 4 Tunisia
26 Oct 2017 2:24PM
Thank you Paul for your comment
dudler Plus
18 1.8k 1895 England
26 Oct 2017 6:57PM
It doesn't really matter how the apparent tilt happened - it could be that the camera is level, but the cup isn't: or the other way round.

Al it takes is a little tweak in processing - I used the Skew tool, which I find one of the most useful ways of making small but telling corrections.
Lakkou 4 Tunisia
27 Oct 2017 1:46AM
Thank you John, now that I'm seeing your mod I can see where the tilt is, thank you again for the mod.

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