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Windy Harbour

By mark90d
Windy day and these guys were enjoying the south westerly

Tags: Kite surfingand extreme sports Sports and action

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dudler Plus
19 1.9k 1947 England
24 Oct 2020 2:23PM
Hi, Mark - and welcome to the Critique Gallery. I don't think we've seen you here before.

You've been a member of the site for a good while, so I imagine that you know what we do here: no votes, no awards, but careful and thoughtful feedback.

In order to provide that, we need more information from you - as well as full EXIF (which is there, thank you) we need something about your thoughts, ambitions for the shot, and feelings about the outcome.

If we're going to give you the best feedback that we possibly can, we need some real input from you, including a lot more information. That way, critique that we give is far more likely to be what you are looking for, and consequently far more helpful to you. If you can provide a few answers to the following questions, it will help us a lot:

What is your reason for requesting critique?
What inspired you to take this photo?
What were you hoping to achieve?
Do you feel that you succeeded or failed?
Are there any specific elements of your photo that you want help with?
Do you want advice on camera settings, processing, composition, or something else?
Do you have any particular questions you would like answered?

The more you tell us, the more we can help you.

Without that, one can only make very general comments. There's a tilt to the horizon, for one thing, and the people take up a very small part of the frame. For you, the picture brings back memories of the wind in your hair and the sound of gulls: for the casual viewer, there are no memories to spark, so they need more visual interest, perhaps with a long lens shot.

Over to you, though... Please share some thoughts.
pamelajean Plus
16 1.8k 2263 United Kingdom
24 Oct 2020 3:19PM
Welcome to the Critique Gallery, Mark.

I can see the action that you were trying to capture and it was probably exciting to watch, but the people and kites are far too small in your frame to have any kind of impact to a viewer. Even doing a dramatic crop, which I have tried, hasn't brought a lot more detail to the fore. So you needed to get those kiters large and prominent in your frame at the time of shooting.

What do you think about the image yourself? Are you happy or unhappy with it?

banehawi Plus
18 2.7k 4314 Canada
24 Oct 2020 5:52PM
Hi Mark.

You used 55mm, which is as close as you can zoom. A longer lens, say going up to 200mm would Make the brave souls more prominent.

You also used M exposure mode, and made sure there was positive expose bias due to the scene, however I think its a little too bright, which also means low contrast usually.

The apparent horizon could be rotated a little also. So with a much tighter crop, some contrast, and adjustment to exposure, there's a shot in there that looks like my mod. Click the modifications button under the image to see.


chase Plus
16 2.4k 623 England
24 Oct 2020 5:54PM
A warm welcome from me to Mark.
I agree with both of the comments above, too much space to see what you saw on the day and that horizon so needs a straighten.
I don't think I could improve on mod 1 done by Willie.

We could do with your own thoughts on this one Mark with some of the questions answered that have already been asked.
It's always better in the Critique Gallery if we have plenty of information to go on, otherwise we are offering critique in the dark.
I look forward to your reply.
mrswoolybill Plus
15 3.3k 2536 United Kingdom
24 Oct 2020 5:56PM
Welcome from me too.

You've been on the site as long as I have, I hope you have followed gallery uploads in that time. I did a filtered search for Kite surfer and Kite surfing , I hope those links will get you to the pages that I found. It's worth looking at the uploads, some are better than others but generally the ones that work have two distinguishing features: Strong body language in at least one surfer; Kites forming an essential part of the composition.

I'm afraid your lens was against you here! This needed a much longer focal length. There's just too much grey sea, too little action. Part of photography is about working within the limitations of one's kit - I know I cannot do true macro with my kit, for example, so I look for other approaches to a small subject.

Remember also that if the image brings back memories for you, that's a partial result. But if you want to convey that experience to people who were not there you need to think how to do that. For that the image needs to have a clear subject, a focal point, it needs to be structured. There is a big difference between the experience of being there, and the experience of viewing a small rectangle on a flat screen.

Find a surfer's board and / or wetsuit hanging on promenade railings, photograph it with the action in the distant background - that would give a much better flavour of what is happening, because it would have direct interest for the viewer.

I hope that doesn't sound too harsh. I would suggest that you go out and look for an image with foreground interest for comparison, and post it in the Critique Gallery.
mark90d 16 14 United Kingdom
24 Oct 2020 8:04PM
Hi all
Thank you for taking the time to reply to this poor image. Let me explain I have been away from photography a while and have just purchased a Canon DSLR with a standard lens package. I knew from the off that the kit lens was no good for my interest ie wildlife and sport. But would suffice for now for the close ups off grand kids I was out with my dog ,camera in hand and these guy were kite surfing and looked fantastic it was windy on the cliff top sadly the image was about the 50th maybe. 60 th shot I had taken with the new camera I knew wrong lens but snapped away. So. Better images to come when the new lens arrives. And I get the settings sorted. Rgds Mark
mrswoolybill Plus
15 3.3k 2536 United Kingdom
24 Oct 2020 10:02PM
Thanks for getting back to us. Allow yourself time to settle back into photography, and do let us see the results in the Critique Gallery. We can help you develop skills. And we are here to answer questions.
dark_lord Plus
18 2.9k 824 England
24 Oct 2020 10:35PM
Welome from me too, and thank you for your reply as that helps us understand your approach and difficulties you had.

While a longer lens would be nice (any sports photographer always wants a longer lens even if they're using a 600 mm with a 2x extender) the weather may be good for the sport but not so good for photography in terms of dramatic light. At least you've avoided underexposure here which is good as many would have fallen into that trap.

You have a nice high viewpoint, and even if you haven't got a close view I'd use this image as a visual note for when you want to return, a visual notebook if you like, or how an artist may make a sketch in a sketchbook.
dudler Plus
19 1.9k 1947 England
25 Oct 2020 8:44PM
Thanks for the extra info!

Great to hear that you're getting back into it - and i understand the urge to shoot anyway! any questions - post here and you'll get the feedback you want.

And keep shooting!

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