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ColinEJ 11 21 17 United Kingdom
18 Apr 2013 8:37AM
A classic shot beautifully photographed. The soft window light is very flattering to the model, but I would be very tempted to lose the window pane on the left, just leaving the frame to hold in the shot.

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Richsr 11 91 223 England
18 Apr 2013 9:02AM
Like the IR effect but perhaps not the best angle for the models face as it makes it look very manlike
regards Richard
Nick_w Plus
10 4.3k 99 England
18 Apr 2013 4:28PM
Thanks Phillip for the GEA.

Thanks for the feedback Colin & Richard. Colin I'm happy with the composition. IMO you don't always need to crop right in, yes in web format you do get more impact for a casual viewer, but in print (which is the main way I'm anticipating this been viewed) I want to draw the viewer in with the lead of the cill, stop on the camera then follow the model.

Richard, the angular features that Carolina has, was what I was trying to portray, she has a very disitnctive angular look, a bit like Grace Jones in facial shape. The Starkness of the IR I guess amplifies this, but I'm happy with it - tho looking at the viewing figures I'm in a minority.
LesF 11 182 9
18 Apr 2013 4:50PM
A brave move use IR Nick, not many would have tried, specially on a first shoot, so hats off to you for pulling it off, the window I can see Colin's point, I also see yours, but have you thought of a square format, just a thought. My main niggle is with the light toward the right of the model, in places it has fallen off quickly leaving it bit dark in places on her shoulder, arm and dress, possibly the use of a reflector would having pushed some light back into those areas.
I know it's your first shoot of doing models and you deserve to be pleased with it and I bet you've already learnt loads by reviewing your images from this shoot, keep pushing forward Nick and enjoy.

Nick_w Plus
10 4.3k 99 England
18 Apr 2013 4:58PM
Its just the nature of IR Les, a reflector would have had little impact (I tried with a large A2 white card) its to do with incident / reflected light anything directly hit by the light would reflect (tho not water) and anything not goes very black. A green reflector may have worked, but Ive not seen one, and I didn't think to get some green card.
chase 12 1.1k 246 England
18 Apr 2013 5:46PM
Well done for being different Nick & I think in general this works.I'm not keen on the very black part behind her,it seems to cut off the image before I have finished looking at it & is a very defined line,just a shame you couldn't have dropped a spot of extra light into that area,Les has given you some sound crit there too.
I love the camera & I like her hand on the window she looks quite at ease sat there.Perhaps if she had just dropped her chin very slightly it would have helped with her facial expression Nick & just softened her outline a touch....I dunno,I wasn't there....sadly Wink
Fab dress BTW !
LesF 11 182 9
18 Apr 2013 6:07PM
Thanks for putting me straight Nick, I didn't know not been into to IR but Janet's suggestion of spot light for that area is a good one, it just needs a lift in that right area

Richsr 11 91 223 England
19 Apr 2013 11:23AM

Quote:the angular features that Carolina has, was what I was trying to portray, she has a very disitnctive angular look, a bit like Grace Jones in facial shape. The Starkness of the IR I guess amplifies this, but I'm happy with it - tho looking at the viewing figures I'm in a minority.

Just a point for the future Nick as a photographer when working with models its part of your job to make them look good, - as images for them are what gets them future work.
She does have good angluar features but from this angle I feel you are not doing her any favours.
I would be interest to see if you have shown her this one and what her comments might be.
For me looking at this image and asking would I want to work with this model and the answer would be no as the angles with that hair and eye lashes maker her look like a man in drag.
Make them look good and they will want to work with you again Smile

Regards Richard
dudler Plus
14 690 1321 England
19 Apr 2013 5:35PM
The thing about IR is that you get a combination of delicacy and drama. Black is a very definite part of the pallette! Nothing wrong with it!

I have to admit I'd very possibly crop the window - and I can see that removing it closes in the picture in a way that changes it for the worse... So I think Nick's right to have kept it!

I have no argument with the pose: this lady has a really striking profile, and there's nowt wrong with showing it. I don't think it makes her look like a bloke...

I do wonder about the camera - while I've been shooting and posting pictures with old cameras in them, it seems a bit random as a prop here, and maybe is a little too close to the model?

Finally, the little handles on the window look as if ther're plastic, rather than the lovely brass ones that old houses sometimes have. I know there's nothing you can do (unless it's your own window - if so, please change them!) - as a "reality matters" tog, maybe I shouldn't suggest it, but... Clone them out?
Nick_w Plus
10 4.3k 99 England
20 Apr 2013 3:17AM
Thanks John for some excellent points, I really appreciate them. I hadn't noticed the handles, I've checked on some of the regular images (the home isn't mine) they are indeed brass, all be it in a need of a bit of tender loving care. IR renders objects in such a peculiar way.

Richard, I wasn't going to respond to the above comments, and was going just to let it go, but felt I had to reply. Carolina very much likes the image, indeed we have agreed future collaboration, as I have with the other models on the shoot, and I will take on board comments made by both yourself in your original critique and those by others, I have always welcomed constructive comments about my images.

However, I feel you have overstepped the mark above, to say I'm shocked that you of all people would be so offensive towards a model. When preparing for the shoot I showed Carolina my work, including that on EPZ. I really hope she doesn't read the description of her above. I am sure she would be deeply offended, and very upset, after all how would you feel if one of the models you work with we're described in such terms?

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