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  • Yellow-line Quaker (Agrochola macilenta)

    My thanks both!
    Willie I like your edit. I think I've more recently been concious about underexposing/dark photos which makes me lean more toward brighter results in editing. This tends to show up as a bit of an issue when editing something like this where I can end up washing the shot out rather than letting the contrast rise and keep its punch and not wash out.

    Dudler - your right I didn't specify an area to improve, I guess partly because I didn't really have an area of focus so wanted to see what people thought as a gut feeling upon seeing the photo.
    I do agree that a darker/clearer single background instead of one split between white and dark would be best. I think in this the stage I was using was working both fore and against me. It's a dinnerplate sized ring (the top of the moth trap) so I've got a fair bit of room to work with; but it can mean that I can't lower the camera fully down if the subject isn't right at the edge - which would also mean that there's even more white body behind the subject. A thinner strip might be something to consider just to give me more background control.
    You're right that I do like to focus on the technical side and then let that strength give me artistic freedom (well potential for it at least). In this I was very much just focusing on a nice solid side-on shot more as a record than being arty. Though I don't see any reason that, with the right approach, the two can't be combined. I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on the artistic editing side and setup.
    • 1 Sep 2017 11:43PM
  • Ring tailed Lemur

    My thanks Jerrin
    • 28 Mar 2017 10:25PM
  • Onward to the Finish!

    My thanks Spkr!

    And many thanks for the votes all!
    • 23 Mar 2017 6:05PM
  • Relaxing Cheetah

    My thanks both - I was composing a little wide on this shot partly because I normally end up the other way and I find that unless it a tight head-shot or a full body; the inbetween can very easily appear messy unless you get it right. Otherwise its stuck between "not close enough" and " not backed off enough".

    So I wanted to frame the cat a little in its surroundings.

    Your crop is interesting, though I feel by moving in closer and cropping that way the round end of the beam becomes too dominant and distracting; I'd crop it further to shave 3/4 of that post away to just have slither underneath the wood the cat is directly laying upon
    • 13 Mar 2017 12:06AM
  • Norfolk Show Jumping

    My thanks all Smile

    Pablo I didn't even notice the yellow pole and its position in the frame; well spotted and yeah its not the end of the world but I can see what you mean about timing on that.
    The light and colour aspects you raise are indeed ones that mirror my own thoughts and learning as well. The flipside is that sometimes (esp when there's a lot of white I can't avoid) I can end up turning it grey in editing as I try to tone it back and go too far. It's a tricky balance to get white looking nice without it dominating such a shot.

    Paul - aye given freedom to move I would have gone closer; sadly I didn't have any choice to get closer (I kind of wish I'd taken my 120-300mm but that's a bigger heavier lens and not something I tend to take out for a casual day).

    The shutter speed aspect you mention is sound; and I know from past experience I can go down to 1/640sec and get as sharp jump (1/500sec and hooves/mane/tail start to blur). I think it would have benefited me here more so because, as Bane notes, there are white specks in the shot which is rain. I've not done much in rain to know when a drop starts to get a little blur; but in my view a little blur on the drops would have helped (I was in two minds about applying some strong "spot/scratch" removal to get rid of the rain spots).

    Bane I agree with you regards to the person; I think that for me I see him as a plus and more of a plus that the slightly wider depth of field caught him in a decent level of clarity. I agree that the element is that he's paying attention to the horse; I think if he'd not been doing so it might well have made for a detracting element, in my view; though I can certainly see how some see him as a distraction/detracting element.

    Sharpening I think I've fallen into a bit of a trap recently because I tend to sharpen in a few stages as I resize down to a websize and I think the process leaves me a little "blind" to oversharpening. I know I've done it a few times now where I've gone back and paused and really noticed it myself.


    I like both mods uploaded and they certainly show that the upper area isn't needed. Bane with yours did you also adjust the white balance a little? The shot seems a little warmer in your version?
    • 30 Jun 2016 8:59PM
  • Natural Lawn Mower

    A great many thanks for your time and feedback all!

    Tony - aye a little more context might have been nice, and as another modification shows a little more room in front of the horses head does help somewhat.

    Willie, you're right I was trying to counter the green and that did introduce too much magenta, something that when I compare my original to your edit really stands out strong (someone else on another site commented on it as well and even desaturated a lot of the horses head barring the magenta channel and that really showed up how purple it was). I think also I tend, when I have grass, try and work to the grass as a base-line; however in this case its backfired as getting the grass green affected the horse more so (likely due to the shadowing). Warming the photo up really improved it and, honestly, considering the sunny day it was taken on it is likely a touch more faithful to the scene.

    Moria, I like what you've done with pulling a bit of the intensity back from the grass, which otherwise does dominate due to how it was lit. I totally forgot about pulling back saturation there and really should have just gone in and done some selective/channel reductions to try and balance the shot a little more in favour of the horse. Your smaller adjustments to the eye area are good too - and well worth the time (dodge/burn is really something I should make much more use of than I do currently).
    It is certainly being aware of the choices and making them when editing; each person will see a shot differently, though I think some points like the very strong magenta tone are generally detracting in most cases like this unless one wants to really take things to fantasy.

    Dudler - I think that the over-sharpening that you see is likely caused because I tend to resize in stages and sharpen at each stage (normally two or three sages on a the 7D photos I get so long as I get the whole frame). It can be easy to just jump through the sharpening steps there and get a little too much (the last sharpen is normally very minor if anything).

    Paul - aye you're right, strictly speaking what I could do (esp as the horse is quite well isolated and well defined) is that I could duel process the RAW and really pull back the exposure and highlights on the grass and then a second time through and boost exposure for the horse. It's tricky though as its very easy to end up getting to that "cartoony" look where all element of shadowing is lost. I didn't do this in this shot as I felt that I could bring the greens back a touch (and the statuation reminder above should help a lot with that) and also the white haze halo of the hairs on the horses head I felt highlighted around the key subject nicely - it shows that its a nice back-lit shot rather than the horse in full light. Ideally yes being the other side would have worked best exposure wise.
    • 17 Jun 2015 12:48PM
  • A Green Hairstreak (Callophrys rubi)

    My thanks Peekyay and Mudge Smile
    • 6 Jun 2015 11:34PM

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