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pancake dawn v1

By paulrankin
This is not quite there but will work on it and hopefully get a result with this subject soon. What i don't like the large overhanging rock (pancake stone)could do with a little more light to bring out the detail maybe the sunrise postion has moved enough now. Second the remnants of last years bracken were blowing too much in the breeze and have blurred maybe tommorow no wind. I had lens flare in the bottom right corner i need to invest in a hood or put the grey card to its second use, a clean of the lens would n't go a miss as well and also struggling with the ND grads could of blended them in a bit more or maybe used a softer version.

God knows why im uploading this
any advice on how i could get a result tomorrow?

Tags: Landscape Medium format Yorkshire Sunrise Ilkley moor Pancake stone Otley Landscape and travel

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fabz 16
10 May 2006 2:56AM
I think it's great, especially the colours in the sky .
Geoffphoto 16 13.5k United Kingdom
10 May 2006 2:57AM
Yet another stunning, beautifully presented landscape Paul. Another click from me, glad to be the first of many...Geoff
John_Duckett 17 386 2 Norfolk Island
10 May 2006 2:59AM
The way you've handled the light is superb

DaveU 16 1.4k 127 England
10 May 2006 3:02AM
This works pretty well as it stands for me Paul and I think the light is fine. Pancake rock could perhaps do with a wee bit more light to highlight it's textures, but for me it works fine as a near silhouette.

chrisfroud 17 521
10 May 2006 3:03AM
Very nice composition - I agree that a little more light would be nice on the pancake rock.

10 May 2006 3:06AM
hi Paul,

I love this, the way you've managed to get the light behind the rocks gives it a painterly feel. Viewed large, this if fantastic!! helen
sneazy 17 74 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 3:16AM
I tend to agree about the pancake rock lighting and the use of the grads. You could use the Lee soft grads and offset them against each other if you have not tried this already. You may have a less obvious grad line.
But all the above is too some degree nit picking as this is a lovely image already.

paulrankin 16 4 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 3:21AM
thanks Mark, no ill try that tomorrow, this was my first visit here i did n't give myself enough time and the early morning brain was definitely not in gear.
martinl 18 272 2 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 3:23AM
Lovely lighting conditions you have captured.

It can be good to get movement in grasses, bracken etc, as it reflects the nature of the day it was shot..

If you want to be nitpicky, you could say that a touch more light on the rock would be good, but it does look fine as it is to me.

Westers 17 3.9k 1 Burkina Faso
10 May 2006 3:30AM
the light could do with being in a different direction as even with a light grad it doesn't look bright enough to punch through.

Also, the sky looks strange - blue on the right and then turns to purple, but does it in a strange way.

One to try again.
paulrankin 16 4 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 3:34AM
thanks everyone

martin thanks, i think its the one right in f/g that bothers me, but i know what you mean by movement though

ian thanks for been honest i agree totally
JouŠo 18 56 Finland
10 May 2006 3:34AM
Stunning light!

sheilac 17 162 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 3:48AM
Hi Paul,

This is stunning as it is. I can see what you mean about more light round the front of the rock, but it still looks good as an almost silhouette.

I'm not so keen on the sky, because of the yellow glow on the left edge and the light blue on the right edge. As you say another go with the sun further round and a different combination of grads will probably help. A good excuse to keep going back to what is obviously a great location. Whereabouts is it? Yorkshire?

paulrankin 16 4 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 3:51AM
thanks shiela, the advice is appreciated, the pancake stone is just a little further on from the cow and calf rocks on ilkley moor.
10 May 2006 3:53AM
I think this is superb.
paulrankin 16 4 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 3:55AM
thanks lee
VintageRed 16 15 1 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 4:15AM
Hi Paul. I like the composition here and can see why you're keen on the location. I'm not sure the blowing bracken detracts from the image at all but can see why you would want to get more detail in the pancake rock. Would a bit of flash help with that or would that take away from the natural colouring? Nick.
Briwooly 16 454 6 England
10 May 2006 4:27AM
Ho the quest for perfection, great image Paul Im sure you will get it how you want you certainly dont need advice from me
paulrankin 16 4 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 4:32AM
thanks Brian

thanks nick, unfortunately i have no flash in my kit yet, but does seem possible solution afraid i dont know how it would effect the colour temperature of the f/g someone with more experience will have to answer that. thanks again for your help
AlanBW 16 20 England
10 May 2006 4:35AM
Looks really good to me
joolsb 17 27.1k 38 Switzerland
10 May 2006 5:01AM
Only thing that strikes me as 'wrong' is the grad line in the sky and a soft grad would easily fix that. Otherwise, it's an excellent shot, Paul. Wouldn't change anything else.
10 May 2006 5:21AM
Nice shot with good lighting, love the glow in the sky.
kinfatric 17 550 9 Scotland
10 May 2006 8:09AM
Stunning Paul fine detail in the foreground with fantastic light and colour content
martin.w Plus
20 616 29 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 8:41AM
Excellent comp and light, the rock for me is fine as the light just picks out the detail. Pretty much agree with some of the above about the sky, the colours do look a bit odd.
GillyB 17 317 8 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 9:08AM
Excellent composition with good detail in the fg rock and grasses. The colour in the sky is unusual but nature does that sometimes!
Gavin 17 17
10 May 2006 10:22AM
Stunning light!
paulrankin 16 4 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 10:41AM
thanks all for comments

martin and gill, i don't know what caused the unusual sky at first i thought it could be the lee nd grads but they are good quality and impart no colour, unless the reduced exposure is having some effect on the film? as julian pointed out you can see the edge of the grads .9 & .6 hard running diagonal in the frame and the colour shift seems to be on that line.?
joolsb 17 27.1k 38 Switzerland
10 May 2006 11:23AM
Hi Paul,

you could try staggering the grads so the gradation line of each doesn't fall across the same part of the image.

I've used a Lee 0.9 hard grad alone without these problems so I'm guessing it's the massive 5 stops reduction in exposure that's causing both the hard transition and the colour shift.

The other question is, do you really need to pull back the sky quite so much? Even Velvia can comfortably cover about four stops....

dalischone 17 295 Scotland
10 May 2006 11:38AM
Simply stunning! Glorious tones, colour and light. Beautiful.

paulrankin 16 4 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 11:38AM
thanks for the advice Julian, yes you are right maybe i over did it a bit, but by the time i found my composition the sun, just out of frame, was growing quite strong. I will try staggering the grads if i have to use more than one or maybe use a combination of soft and hard. The darkness on the rock is probably been caused by the grads clipping into it staggering would probably help with that too.

i feel i have really learnt something, lets hope i have as good light in the morning - thanks again
TelStar 17 116 United Kingdom
10 May 2006 9:59PM
Looks great to me, Paul; beautiful composition, colours and play of light.
oppo 16 6 2 Scotland
11 May 2006 1:23AM
You are your own worst enemy Paul..LOL Personally I think that this is one of your best. Excellent stuff..Phil
GDobson 16 62
11 May 2006 10:17PM
Another cracker, Paul. Great composition and light. Maybe the lighter area on the right is slightly distracting?
sooty 36 17 14 United Kingdom
14 May 2006 12:40AM
I can see where your coming from Paul. But I would stand back and look at the bigger picture as it were. Is all too easy to get too critical about our own shots....I`m the same. But from where I`m standing, It`s a fine picture. With 40+ clicks, we can`t all be wrong can we? lol
Kim Walton 18 145 30 United Kingdom
15 May 2006 8:52AM
As,above,cracking shot,well done.
16 13 1 United Kingdom
17 May 2006 10:38AM
Lovely picture, makes me jealous, very thought provoking and atmostpheric.
Chant57 16 395 3 United Kingdom
18 May 2006 1:01AM
A stunning, beautifully presented landscape Paul. Gorgeous colours.
redstag 16 100 15 United Kingdom
18 May 2006 1:41PM
I like it. There is an issue on the right hand side where the sky is much clearer than the rest of the shot, I would try and darken the rhs a bit to bring the whole mood down.
Easier said than done though, and you can't fault the comp!
martinproe 16 293 5 England
20 May 2006 12:04AM
Looks wonderful to me.Well worth a second visit and more experimentation. Tricky these Grads!
90125 16 3 United Kingdom
5 Jun 2006 11:14AM
What a cracker man!is it the roaches?Sure the sun was setting at the time??Beautiful!!

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