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Farrel

By pptbudi
Practicing for natural Light + Exposure compensation

Tags: Headshot Kid Portraits and people

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dudler Plus
16 893 1504 England
26 Feb 2017 4:28PM
Two things... First, the picture. It's really good. Votable, possible award material: really intense, and the central composition and tight crop at the top emphasise this.

Exposure compensation... It only works in automatic modes, not in manual. In auto mode, exposure compensation alters the settings: so with Aperture priority and an exposure of 1/60 @ f/2.8, setting +1 will take the shutter speed down to 1/30. In Manual, you have set 1/60 and f/2.8, and they stay the same. The exposure compensation does nothing to the actual exposure.

Incidentally, +5 compensation would give you massive overexposure - my mod shows just how extreme it is.

Possibly your best picture yet.

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pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
26 Feb 2017 4:45PM

Quote:Two things... First, the picture. It's really good. Votable, possible award material: really intense, and the central composition and tight crop at the top emphasise this.

Exposure compensation... It only works in automatic modes, not in manual. In auto mode, exposure compensation alters the settings: so with Aperture priority and an exposure of 1/60 @ f/2.8, setting +1 will take the shutter speed down to 1/30. In Manual, you have set 1/60 and f/2.8, and they stay the same. The exposure compensation does nothing to the actual exposure.

Incidentally, +5 compensation would give you massive overexposure - my mod shows just how extreme it is.

Possibly your best picture yet.


Thank you very much my friend on my LCD display it different between +5 and not, 1/60 without and with +5, I don't know if as you said got no effect but it sure more brighter than not use +5, you know it better. I'll upload next shot without the +5
mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.5k 2066 United Kingdom
26 Feb 2017 4:54PM
I really like this. Normally when photographing children it works best to get down to their eye-level. Here you were looking down slightly but that works with the composition and the serious expression. The angle allows him some privacy for his thoughts. Young children can look so very serious, they don't all just grin for the camera...

The use of natural light is good, it's very gentle and even on the face. The light was coming from above, and slightly in front of him, that has caused bright highlights on the top of the head. Your close view has eliminated the worst of that, I might be inclined to go in even closer, or to try the burn tool on those highlights.

The angle of the light / angle of face does put the top half of the eyes into slight shadow, I would like to dodge the whites very gently. No more than 3% or 4% exposure.

I would also like to crop the sides. Guess what, I want to try a square... I think it would give a more intimate feel. Does the space at the sides here give a more relaxed feel, or reduce the intimacy? There's no wrong / right answer...

And then b&w. Because it looks inside.

Mods to follow, I hope...
Moira
mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.5k 2066 United Kingdom
26 Feb 2017 4:58PM
PS John has covered the plus exposure compensation, you were fortunate that you were in manual so it had no effect. I cannot think of any circumstances where +5 would be anything other than catastrophic!
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
26 Feb 2017 5:12PM
I'm sorry I try to upload the other shot but it keeps telling me the image cannot be upload, I've tried it several times
mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.5k 2066 United Kingdom
26 Feb 2017 5:16PM
Are you trying to upload it as a modification? It should work, I've just added my mods. Click on the blue Modifications button, then on Upload a modification.
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
26 Feb 2017 5:21PM

Quote:PS John has covered the plus exposure compensation, you were fortunate that you were in manual so it had no effect. I cannot think of any circumstances where +5 would be anything other than catastrophic!

Thank you very much, what a lovely modification and yes the eyes is more clear and it's very good, please forgive me if I didn't understand with what you're explaining about "burn tool" and dodge, and the B&W version also beautiful, I like it both thank you very much, so better more close to minimalize the bright highlight, thank you very much
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
26 Feb 2017 5:23PM

Quote:Are you trying to upload it as a modification? It should work, I've just added my mods. Click on the blue Modifications button, then on Upload a modification.

yes. I try to upload it at modification section as usual, I'll try it again
paulbroad Plus
12 131 1285 United Kingdom
26 Feb 2017 5:25PM
As above. Exposure compensation does not work on manual. The shutter speed is too slow. You are at 75mm with a Nikon and you have either a touch of shake and/or subject movement as the eyes are just off sharp.

You cold have been at 200 or even 400 ISO with modern gear and seen no difference. You must learn to fully understand the camera settings and what they do.

Paul
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
26 Feb 2017 5:31PM

Quote:As above. Exposure compensation does not work on manual. The shutter speed is too slow. You are at 75mm with a Nikon and you have either a touch of shake and/or subject movement as the eyes are just off sharp.

You cold have been at 200 or even 400 ISO with modern gear and seen no difference. You must learn to fully understand the camera settings and what they do.

Paul


Thank you very much my friend yes I've tried on more high ISO at day light and the result as you said it still impressive and you're right I need higher shutter speed to make the focus more sharp, Thank you very much Smile
mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.5k 2066 United Kingdom
26 Feb 2017 5:34PM

Quote:please forgive me if I didn't understand with what you're explaining about "burn tool" and dodge,

The dodge and burn tools are ways of selectively lightening and darkening different areas of a digital image. The names are taken from darkroom printing techniques used for similar purposes. These tools are available in Adobe Elements, and in some free downloadable software although I am no longer up to date on that!

For each tool you can select the size of the brush, the intensity of the application (NB these are very powerful tools!), and whether you are adjusting highlights, midtones or shadows.
banehawi Plus
15 2.1k 4019 Canada
26 Feb 2017 10:35PM
Regarding Exposure Compensation doesnt work in M mode, - it doesnt; BUT the camera doesnt tell you that, it lets you think it does by showing, on the LCD, the + or th3 minus compensation you used; its simply the camera showing the compensation, but it does not apply it. To apply it, it needs acces to either the shutter speed; the aperture, or the ISO. In M mode, you have control of all 3, so the camera just really smiles at you!



BURN and DODGE are terms that come from the film world, and are used in all post processing software; BURN means to darken a specific area of the image, and DODGE means to lighten a specific area.


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banehawi Plus
15 2.1k 4019 Canada
27 Feb 2017 2:27AM
So critique.

Its a nice image, and shots of kids like this are always popular, and, not easy to critique!

You have been in a learning mode for quite some time, though a portrait is new. Some things are very important in a shot like this, and you have some of them well done. Great expression, eye contact, the personality comes through well. The most critical element in a portrait however has been missed, and thats the eyes are not sharp or well focused.

This is partly due to the insistence on a veru wide aperture, which absolutely demands very accurate focusing; and the actual accuracy of focusing being poor. Use a single focus point, place it on the closest eye to the camera, use a fast enough shutter speed, and thats it.
As mentioned, shutter speed here is MUCH too slow, especially as you had the camera close to the subject (closer means faster!). You pulled it off this time, but why roll a dice with every shot? Aim to nail it.

I have uploaded a few mods. The basic change is exposure; using M mode you regularly underexpose, so you need to learn from that; again, spot metering let you down also, as mentioned before, use that as a guide, dont depend on it. The child is wearing a bright shirt, with a bright background, so you have to "see" the light as the camera does; the subjects face is relatively dark, so you need to increase exposure. That here means, assuming you use a faster shutter or a smaller aperture, a higher ISO. Composition can be improved I think by placing him off centre. Those bright double edges on the shirt have been blurred. Take a look at the mods.

Regards


Willie
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
7 Mar 2017 9:36AM

Quote:
Quote:please forgive me if I didn't understand with what you're explaining about "burn tool" and dodge,

The dodge and burn tools are ways of selectively lightening and darkening different areas of a digital image. The names are taken from darkroom printing techniques used for similar purposes. These tools are available in Adobe Elements, and in some free downloadable software although I am no longer up to date on that!

For each tool you can select the size of the brush, the intensity of the application (NB these are very powerful tools!), and whether you are adjusting highlights, midtones or shadows.



Okay I'll keep in mind I think it's very useful thing on Adobe Elements, who know I'll use it one day, thank you very much for the explanation Smile
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
7 Mar 2017 9:48AM

Quote:So critique.

Its a nice image, and shots of kids like this are always popular, and, not easy to critique!

You have been in a learning mode for quite some time, though a portrait is new. Some things are very important in a shot like this, and you have some of them well done. Great expression, eye contact, the personality comes through well. The most critical element in a portrait however has been missed, and thats the eyes are not sharp or well focused.

This is partly due to the insistence on a veru wide aperture, which absolutely demands very accurate focusing; and the actual accuracy of focusing being poor. Use a single focus point, place it on the closest eye to the camera, use a fast enough shutter speed, and thats it.
As mentioned, shutter speed here is MUCH too slow, especially as you had the camera close to the subject (closer means faster!). You pulled it off this time, but why roll a dice with every shot? Aim to nail it.

I have uploaded a few mods. The basic change is exposure; using M mode you regularly underexpose, so you need to learn from that; again, spot metering let you down also, as mentioned before, use that as a guide, dont depend on it. The child is wearing a bright shirt, with a bright background, so you have to "see" the light as the camera does; the subjects face is relatively dark, so you need to increase exposure. That here means, assuming you use a faster shutter or a smaller aperture, a higher ISO. Composition can be improved I think by placing him off centre. Those bright double edges on the shirt have been blurred. Take a look at the mods.

Regards


Willie



Thank you very much my friend yes the double highlight blurred is very nice, I just saw the setting on my camera on this vintage lens attached, it only work in manual mode, and some of the function can't be change, the focus mode all turn off include that metering mode, I can't make change on it, so I guess that came from previous setting on my kit lenses attached setting, yes, I try some shot with more higher ISO now to keep that shutter more faster and I really thank to Moira and you for the light explanation, I really appreciate it, and for the focus, I'll try to improve it for more accuracy cause I already found round shape on view finder before took it and I just found out if in darker area (night), the round shape (focus) always turn on even with no focus on it XD, so I guess I should use the LCD viewfinder to make sure the focus already at proper place like it should, Thank you very much Smile

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