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Reading Bandung History

By pptbudi
A friend told me about her tips to take a good framing, found a scene with story try to have symmetrical and do as minimalism as I can and the camera already setting to default, I'm using unmodified vivid color profile with Aperture Priority, so I walk to city hall because the new park opened there and it's called History Park, and I think this scene will fit to my friend describe or not, I don't know XD

Tags: People Portraits and people

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pablophotographer 8 1.2k 351
31 Jan 2017 8:03PM
Hi, I did 2 mods and I am explaining while I like the second the most on the small window of each picture.

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pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
31 Jan 2017 8:23PM

Quote:Hi, I did 2 mods and I am explaining while I like the second the most on the small window of each picture.

Hello my friend, thank you very much it's the cropping method used ?, is there any possibilities to do crop without losing much detail ?, Thank you very much Smile, the first one looks more good for me, but the 2nd mod got more focused on subject and also very good
banehawi Plus
15 2.1k 4021 Canada
31 Jan 2017 8:25PM
Stop messing with colour profiles, and in this shot, focus on the actual wall art, its soft and you focused on the viewer.

Taking a shot of an existing frame in one interpretation of framing.

Those supprts/lights at the top are intrusive, but they dont need to be cropped out, out very easy simply to paint over them with that background colour.


Mod uploaded.


Regards


Willie
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
31 Jan 2017 8:35PM

Quote:Stop messing with colour profiles, and in this shot, focus on the actual wall art, its soft and you focused on the viewer.

Taking a shot of an existing frame in one interpretation of framing.

Those supprts/lights at the top are intrusive, but they dont need to be cropped out, out very easy simply to paint over them with that background colour.


Mod uploaded.


Regards


Willie


How to ?, forget it XD, I won't asked how that lamp removed and that's really lovely and those wall very clean white, it's standard vivid color used, You mean I should focused to wall not the person (viewer) ?

Thank you very much my friend Smile
pablophotographer 8 1.2k 351
31 Jan 2017 8:58PM
budi before you even lift the camera to take the picture you should have a clear idea what or who is your subject.
Here unfortunately you had decided to make your friend the main reason to take the picture and...awww let's make him stand in front of the historic wall. What you consider the wall to be is the background.
Banehawi, apologies I am am talking on his part. thinks that the wall should be the prime subject of the picture, therefore your focus should be on the letters on teh wall not your friend.
Actually he could be my frind, or me, there, back having our back to the lens all we know is that the man standing there (your friend) could be anybody or anybody's friend.
Surely some of us take pictures for ourselves, some take pictures for others. But, as I said earlier, before you lift your camera think twice, ocne for yourself and spare a thought for the viewer of the picture too, think what would they (he/she) look in the frame you are about to photograph. what is more important for them to see? (clarifying note: if your friend was looking at you you may had wished to keep him in focus)
pablophotographer
dudler Plus
16 896 1505 England
31 Jan 2017 9:48PM
He's not far from the wall, so a slightly smaller aperture - say f/8 - and focus set between the back of your friend's jacket and the wall, and it would all be sharp. The wall isn't far out anyway, though it seems more so in Pablo's mod. I took the crop further, cutting off a strip at the bottom as well as at the top. By the way, the overal lquality of this shop is excellent. You should be able ot get something like this quality from every shot - if yo uaren't, you have got soemthign wrong.

Cropping... There's a tool in every editing software suite for doing it, usually signified by a pair of L-shapes, one upside down and inverted. You set the cursor at one corner of the crop you want, and drag it to the opposite corner. You can drag and drop to alter it afterwards, then click return to remove the excess.

I don't recall whether you've told us what software you have - or if it's something I haven't used. My strong suggestion is Adobe Photoshop Elements - under 100 in the UK,so less than the price of a cheap new lens, easy to use, and very capable. If you have no money, Gimp2 is free, available on the web as a download. It's equally capable - more so in some ways - but is slightly harder to learn to use.

Details differ, but this YouTube video shows the technique, which applies to all software.

And - if the software doesn't have a crop tool, don't bother with it - it'll be too basic to do anything worthwhile.




paulbroad Plus
12 131 1285 United Kingdom
1 Feb 2017 8:44AM
It's not bad. The background, even by my standards, is not that soft. We see a lot worse! I, like Willie, do think you try too hard sometimes and I'm not sure what XD means? I would have liked the figure to the left giving a better balance, but I can see a decent image here, as presented.

Paul
mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.5k 2066 United Kingdom
1 Feb 2017 8:47AM
Is this about the guy, or about the history panel, or about your title 'Reading Bandung History'?

If it's about reading the history, then it's about the relationship between the man and the panel, and between us and the panel as well, and for me central placement of the figure isn't the best way to convey that. Crop to leave just the one panel in front of him, that's what he's reading, that's where we shall look over his shoulder. And because he's politely standing to one side there's room for us to look as well. Far more involving. To nobody's surprise, I can see rather a good square in this...

I do want to tone down highlights a bit, boost midtones just a bit...

You did well to stand parallel to the display, by the way.

And for what it's worth, I'm with John. focus on the man's back, he's our intermediary, and F8 or maybe F11 will do the necessary. He's standing still, you could take a small risk with shutter speed...

Mod to follow.
Moira
mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.5k 2066 United Kingdom
1 Feb 2017 9:05AM
After I had prepared and uploaded my first mod I started looking at the way the figure in the panel is pointing into the scene. The visitor is looking where he is looking. So I cropped tighter still.
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
2 Feb 2017 1:17PM

Quote:budi before you even lift the camera to take the picture you should have a clear idea what or who is your subject.
Here unfortunately you had decided to make your friend the main reason to take the picture and...awww let's make him stand in front of the historic wall. What you consider the wall to be is the background.
Banehawi, apologies I am am talking on his part. thinks that the wall should be the prime subject of the picture, therefore your focus should be on the letters on teh wall not your friend.
Actually he could be my frind, or me, there, back having our back to the lens all we know is that the man standing there (your friend) could be anybody or anybody's friend.
Surely some of us take pictures for ourselves, some take pictures for others. But, as I said earlier, before you lift your camera think twice, ocne for yourself and spare a thought for the viewer of the picture too, think what would they (he/she) look in the frame you are about to photograph. what is more important for them to see? (clarifying note: if your friend was looking at you you may had wished to keep him in focus)
pablophotographer


ah, oki, it's a random stranger snapshot at new opened park, I also same want to see the wall art in that place, but when see this and I remember my friend to take shot for symmetrical I think this scene quite interesting, I focused to the subject before he's moving and yes I also agree with John and Moira to use smaller aperture so I can have both on focus (viewer and the wall art), I didn't checked at the aperture I just focused to symmetrical thing and that take it before the subject move, I keep it at 100 to take sharp on subject and avoid movement, I can raise more ISO to have smaller aperture, but as I said it's random snapshot and that black clothes very fit for me against that bronze wall art
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
2 Feb 2017 1:32PM

Quote:He's not far from the wall, so a slightly smaller aperture - say f/8 - and focus set between the back of your friend's jacket and the wall, and it would all be sharp. The wall isn't far out anyway, though it seems more so in Pablo's mod. I took the crop further, cutting off a strip at the bottom as well as at the top. By the way, the overal lquality of this shop is excellent. You should be able ot get something like this quality from every shot - if yo uaren't, you have got soemthign wrong.

Cropping... There's a tool in every editing software suite for doing it, usually signified by a pair of L-shapes, one upside down and inverted. You set the cursor at one corner of the crop you want, and drag it to the opposite corner. You can drag and drop to alter it afterwards, then click return to remove the excess.

I don't recall whether you've told us what software you have - or if it's something I haven't used. My strong suggestion is Adobe Photoshop Elements - under 100 in the UK,so less than the price of a cheap new lens, easy to use, and very capable. If you have no money, Gimp2 is free, available on the web as a download. It's equally capable - more so in some ways - but is slightly harder to learn to use.

Details differ, but this YouTube video shows the technique, which applies to all software.

And - if the software doesn't have a crop tool, don't bother with it - it'll be too basic to do anything worthwhile.







I have Adobe lightroom but it's always crashed since the first day tryout till now, so I didn't use it, then I try photoscape to do cropping, but I see the dpi change from 300 to 72 dpi and it's also change from original image almost everything see not as clear as original, specially on zoom, I try the gimp2, at first use it's ok but then it same crashed like Adobe Lightroom.

Capture NX-D and Picture Control utiility on Nikon is still running but I din't use it again cause I didn't shot in RAW again now.

I see on microsoft windows viewer at actual size to check the grain, and I used Image Composite Editor to make Panorama. drag, click and done Smile


pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
2 Feb 2017 1:36PM

Quote:It's not bad. The background, even by my standards, is not that soft. We see a lot worse! I, like Willie, do think you try too hard sometimes and I'm not sure what XD means? I would have liked the figure to the left giving a better balance, but I can see a decent image here, as presented.

Paul


Thank you very much Paul, to the left just little bit, that's right and also the writing not at centre as well I"m just realized that, I took the upper lamp as symmetrical point and the wall horizontal line and try to keep the person in middle Smile
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
2 Feb 2017 1:39PM

Quote:He's not far from the wall, so a slightly smaller aperture - say f/8 - and focus set between the back of your friend's jacket and the wall, and it would all be sharp. The wall isn't far out anyway, though it seems more so in Pablo's mod. I took the crop further, cutting off a strip at the bottom as well as at the top. By the way, the overal lquality of this shop is excellent. You should be able ot get something like this quality from every shot - if yo uaren't, you have got soemthign wrong.

Cropping... There's a tool in every editing software suite for doing it, usually signified by a pair of L-shapes, one upside down and inverted. You set the cursor at one corner of the crop you want, and drag it to the opposite corner. You can drag and drop to alter it afterwards, then click return to remove the excess.

I don't recall whether you've told us what software you have - or if it's something I haven't used. My strong suggestion is Adobe Photoshop Elements - under 100 in the UK,so less than the price of a cheap new lens, easy to use, and very capable. If you have no money, Gimp2 is free, available on the web as a download. It's equally capable - more so in some ways - but is slightly harder to learn to use.

Details differ, but this YouTube video shows the technique, which applies to all software.

And - if the software doesn't have a crop tool, don't bother with it - it'll be too basic to do anything worthwhile.







Almost forgot, Thank you for the mod, I like it too it seem more symmetrical compared to original and more focused, Thank you very much Smile
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
2 Feb 2017 2:18PM

Quote:After I had prepared and uploaded my first mod I started looking at the way the figure in the panel is pointing into the scene. The visitor is looking where he is looking. So I cropped tighter still.


I'm little bit confused actually to answer all the comments, cause actually I have no idea at all when start shooting, it's point and shot symmetrical but about the discussion I read here, it makes me wonder for my next shot, concept also as important as technique yes ?, so we should change to waiting game ? or preparing all and wait as pablo photographer said ?, I really like this and the modification make me realize about the discussion how important the preparation, concept and timing... Thank you very much Moira, I thinking alot for day before answering all and wondering XD
mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.5k 2066 United Kingdom
2 Feb 2017 4:53PM

Quote:it makes me wonder for my next shot, concept also as important as technique yes ?, so we should change to waiting game ? or preparing all and wait as pablo photographer said ?, I really like this and the modification make me realize about the discussion how important the preparation, concept and timing...


Try to set a shot up like this and it will probably look false. My advice would be to take a long careful look at the possibilities in a situation like this. The panel and the lighting aren't going to move, and visitors will take time over reading the information and looking at the illustration. So you can take your time too. Be discreet, stand back, use your eyes first. Don't rush the shot. It's called composition, so be calm and composed!

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