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Spider on a Growth Adiantum

By pptbudi
While waiting for closeup lenses, Nikon 50mm f/1.4 AI + Extension tube + 2x Tele conventer + Macro LED Ring Flash, very hard to get focus even after reduced the aperture to 8

Tags: Spider Leaf Close-up and macro Droplets

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banehawi Plus
15 2.1k 4019 Canada
17 Jan 2017 5:11PM
Its a good effort and an attractive subject.


Needs more light (exposure) and a tweak to white balance as in the mod. Looking forward to see what happens when you have the new lenses.


Regards


Willie

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paulbroad Plus
12 131 1285 United Kingdom
17 Jan 2017 5:13PM
You are just asking too much. A third party tele-convertor will reduce lens resolution noticeably, tubes and convertor will increase required exposure by several stops depending on the tube size, and an f1.4 50mm is not going to perform well as a macro lens.

You needed f18, but the lens will not perform well at that aperture, so you are going to struggle. The macro light is either LED or it is a flash, can't be both. I assue it is a so called LED ring light. They are not bright enough.

I bought one to try with my Fuji 60mm Macro and it is pretty well worthless unless high ISO is used, which, in itself does not give best quality.

So, here yo have absolutely minimal depth of field and nothing totally sharp. Sorry to be so negative, but I'm afraid successful macro needs the right gear and you will just not do it with that listed in your introduction.

If you are serious about macro, save up for a decent macro lens, second hand if necessary.

Paul
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
17 Jan 2017 5:35PM

Quote:Its a good effort and an attractive subject.


Needs more light (exposure) and a tweak to white balance as in the mod. Looking forward to see what happens when you have the new lenses.


Regards


Willie


Wooow, I really need that noise reduction,all my macro shot very grainy and yes the flash ring little bit help increasing light so it's still underexpose, it work great at 1/2.5 sec, but I can get focused object, I didn't brave enough to raise ISO cause at 100 the grain and noise looks terrible already, I hope that macro close up lenses doesn't change darkness as extension tube do Smile
what can we use to reduce noise ?
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
17 Jan 2017 5:44PM

Quote:You are just asking too much. A third party tele-convertor will reduce lens resolution noticeably, tubes and convertor will increase required exposure by several stops depending on the tube size, and an f1.4 50mm is not going to perform well as a macro lens.

You needed f18, but the lens will not perform well at that aperture, so you are going to struggle. The macro light is either LED or it is a flash, can't be both. I assue it is a so called LED ring light. They are not bright enough.

I bought one to try with my Fuji 60mm Macro and it is pretty well worthless unless high ISO is used, which, in itself does not give best quality.

So, here yo have absolutely minimal depth of field and nothing totally sharp. Sorry to be so negative, but I'm afraid successful macro needs the right gear and you will just not do it with that listed in your introduction.

If you are serious about macro, save up for a decent macro lens, second hand if necessary.

Paul


Thank you very much Paul, you're absolutely right and at least it's better than my previous tools without Macro LED Ring Light and I think this lenses is still far away better than my 18-55 mm lenses for macro and also that ring led remove the glowing soft edges more better that cause by tele conventer, and it's biggest improvement for macro on budget, It's all cost me not more than $50 for all the tools Smile and still with second hand macro lenses I believe it will cost me more, while wait having to buy macro lenses, I will practice macro with this macro on budget, Thank you very much Smile

banehawi Plus
15 2.1k 4019 Canada
17 Jan 2017 8:42PM
The grain will look bad because you have to crop closely; a 1:1 macro lens can fill the frame so you dont crop, or crop a lot less.


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paulbroad Plus
12 131 1285 United Kingdom
18 Jan 2017 8:08AM
Cash is often a problem with photography. The trouble is specialist subjects usually require certain equipment to get good results and you will struggle without them. A macro lens is what you need, but I managed up to 1:1 for years with a set of three tubes and an 50mm F1.8 lens. You need 50mm of extension with a 50mm lens to get full size, 1:1, reproduction.

Close up lenses do not increase exposure but will not get you to 1:1 and tend to reduce quality. You should get perfectly good relatively grain free results with correct exposure and ISO400.

Paul
dudler Plus
16 893 1504 England
18 Jan 2017 9:09AM
Part of the problem may be underexposure - that gives more noise.

For macro, you need a lot of light. There's no getting round it - you need to stop the lens down, and you need to increase exposure with extension tubes, too. That's why so many people use flash for macro.

On the plus side, if you use a standard desk lamp or an internal reflector bulb close to the subject, it will give the right sort of exposure, because of the inverse square law.

And do try higher ISO! You are daring a lot with your equipment, so dare to go fast, and risk the noise!
dark_lord Plus
15 2.3k 582 England
18 Jan 2017 8:41PM
A valiant effort under the circumstances. The technical issues are well covered above and from your reply you understand the shortcomings and what's needed.
Focus is critical whatever equipment you use for close-up and macro work, it's not easy.

Away from that, you have a nice composition here with the curve of the leaf, and with a non-distracting background.
Often when people start in close up work they forget the composition. It makes a big difference.
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
19 Jan 2017 6:18AM

Quote:The grain will look bad because you have to crop closely; a 1:1 macro lens can fill the frame so you dont crop, or crop a lot less.


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I still can get closer actually, the extension tube in this shot no ring used, if no 1, 2 and 3, used I can still get more closer, and also with the focus adjustment can still get closer, I set the focus to infinty focus and hope I still have more wide focus range, because it's will become shallow and shallow if more extension tube ring attached and also make it darker XD,

if going darker the noise less but new problem occured, the spot on the sensor will be clearly visible XD
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
19 Jan 2017 6:28AM

Quote:Cash is often a problem with photography. The trouble is specialist subjects usually require certain equipment to get good results and you will struggle without them. A macro lens is what you need, but I managed up to 1:1 for years with a set of three tubes and an 50mm F1.8 lens. You need 50mm of extension with a 50mm lens to get full size, 1:1, reproduction.

Close up lenses do not increase exposure but will not get you to 1:1 and tend to reduce quality. You should get perfectly good relatively grain free results with correct exposure and ISO400.

Paul


Ok Thank you very much my friend ISO 400, I will try that, I need the combination of fast shutter at least at 1/125 to make it movement free, and to have better focusing.
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
19 Jan 2017 6:35AM

Quote:Part of the problem may be underexposure - that gives more noise.

For macro, you need a lot of light. There's no getting round it - you need to stop the lens down, and you need to increase exposure with extension tubes, too. That's why so many people use flash for macro.

On the plus side, if you use a standard desk lamp or an internal reflector bulb close to the subject, it will give the right sort of exposure, because of the inverse square law.

And do try higher ISO! You are daring a lot with your equipment, so dare to go fast, and risk the noise!


Yes, you're right at room in un moving subject light will be not a big problem I can still use the long shutter with all the 3 extension tube on it and the desk lamp and the result very impressive, also less noise, the huge problem occur in outdoor like this shot, but yes I think I should raise for the ISO, I made a shot with the very high ISO last night but not at macro mode, we'll see about the noise that have, if it's still acceptable I will try to push with the ISO
pptbudi 3 6 Indonesia
19 Jan 2017 6:43AM

Quote:A valiant effort under the circumstances. The technical issues are well covered above and from your reply you understand the shortcomings and what's needed.
Focus is critical whatever equipment you use for close-up and macro work, it's not easy.

Away from that, you have a nice composition here with the curve of the leaf, and with a non-distracting background.
Often when people start in close up work they forget the composition. It makes a big difference.



Thank you very much, the important note I'll keep in mind about the composition and as what already been told in the earlier about obstacle in background, Thank you

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