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This I think is the original of Fishermen . I'm not sure what happened in the processing but it resulted in a very poor image. I'm trying to sort out my Ps programme re - sRBG and I've bought the Adobe 'Classroom in a Book' . Forward and onward and thanks again to all. PRG

Tags: Fishing Portraits and people


mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.7k 2117 United Kingdom
14 Mar 2019 4:20PM
This isn't the same image as the previous upload but was taken just a minute before it, so the same conditions. I have to say that it is way better than yesterday's heavily processed image - an example of less is more!

Two points. From the proportions, this has been cropped, but quite suitably. I wouldn't want to crop on the left, I felt that yesterday's looked cramped there. The men need space to gaze out into.

Secondly I don't think it needs very intrusive work. I don't use Lightroom but using the Camera Raw filter in PS I reduced contrast, darkened highlights, lightened shadows. Then I used the burn tool very gently to bulk out the textures in the foreground gravel and boulders. I really think that's all it needs.

When processing, start out with a clear idea of what you want to achieve. Then every so often go back a few steps and ask - Am I really improving this?

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14 Mar 2019 5:43PM
This is so much better than your previous upload, but you are still using RGB colour profile when you should be using sRGB.

As Moira has said, this actually needs very little processing. Shadows and highlights.
I can't help but feel that you are perhaps attacking your images with Photoshop simply because you think you should.
That's the wrong way to approach it. Don't use your thoughts, use your eyes.
banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4069 Canada
14 Mar 2019 9:37PM
Better, but some issues.

Lets get the sRGB, Adobe RGB, ProPhoto RGB, and all of these "colour profiles" sorted out.

These are simple instructions embedded in the image file that tell the output device, - usually a printer, HOW the image was shot, and instructs the printer to "respect" the profile; Adobe, and ProPhoto have a much wider range of tones that can be printed than sRGB. It mainly for if you are printing yourself, because if you print at a plain ordinary shop they will simple ignore whatever profile is attached to it, and use sRGB.

What special about sRGB is very simple; its the default standard used to display images on the Internet. So sending an image to EPZ that has a different profile, such as Adobe RGB means EPZ does some conversion that can affect how it looks, - not a whole lot, but it does change the image.

So start at the beginning; set you cameras profile to sRGB, unless you want to do a lot of printing, and then you have sRGB from beginning to end. Theres one caveat; IF you shoot RAW and export the JPEG, that JPEG may have the Adobe profile attached UNLESS you specify when exposrting that it should be sRGB.

Now the image. When you shoot an image than has a lot of bright sky, the camera will underexpose the image; this is because its averaging the bright with the dark to come to a medium, so the overall image is not as bright as it should be. My mod shows approximately what it should look like if exposure is compensated to remove underexposure.

Sharpness seems to be somewhat of an issue too, especially at the left of the frame. So let us know if you are shooting a large JPEG or a RAW file; and if you re-size the finished image, - meaning resized for EPZ (dont if you are doing this, EPZ handles it); if and how you usually process the image, and if you apply sharpening.


dudler Plus
16 996 1552 England
14 Mar 2019 10:53PM
That's so much easier on the eye!

Alan and Moira said it and I'll endorse it - don't process because you think you should - only because you can see that it's needed.
miptog 14 3.6k 63 United Kingdom
15 Mar 2019 3:35PM
I wonder if the exposure was challenging. The camera may have over-corrected for a very bright sky, which fills most of the frame. It may well be a classic issue of managing the correct exposure for both, the sky and land. Often ND filters are used to get around this problem. Although these days, post processing is much easier. As others have said, no need to process if you don't need to, but also worthwhile trying to get the best exposure you can in capture.
PRG 1 United Kingdom
15 Mar 2019 4:13PM
So, again thanks to all and I do feel that I'm making progress in both shooting and processing (so much to learn). Now, I've checked my camera and it is set to Colour Space sRGB. I'm shooting in RAW and not resizing. I need to check when down loading that the photo's arrive at ezone in Jpeg. I'll experiment with Photoshop but not send anything that is obviously (even to me ) of poor quality. Another Fishermen is on the way. Thanks again. PRG
paulbroad Plus
12 131 1288 United Kingdom
15 Mar 2019 8:26PM
AdobeRGB is no for home printing either. Virtually all home printers and most general purse top end units use sRGB and struggle to read AdobeRGb correctly. AdobeRGB is meant for professional printing houses.

Use sRGB for EVERYTHING amateur and most low end professional work - nothing else.

The mods are all a touch different to each other. The final decision is what looks right? You must decide that for yourself or, in pro circles, to suite your client.


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