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By aracreative      
Three children snacking in the garden

Any ideas on the composition or the lighting?


Tags: Children Candid Black and white

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Focus_Man 8 481 631 United Kingdom
7 Nov 2012 11:29AM
Welcome to EPZ with a charming picture of three little "darlings", with two looking at each other and the other not bothered makes for a nice composition.

You asked the question about lighting but without you uploading your EXIF it is difficult to comment other than to say to me it looks fine. As an external picture this could be just daylight but if you used fill-in flash it is well balanced.

I have been taken to task for mentioning this recently, but uploading EXIF enables the 'critiquers' to more accurately asses your upload in terms of ISO aperture and shutter speed. You will notice all seasoned members do so in this gallery. If you just wish to show your pictures, there is the general gallery available, where people will say things like 'good picture' 'nice colours' etc. and where votes can be made on any picture submitted. It is your choice but most of all, please enjoy EPZ.


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bps11 5 England
7 Nov 2012 11:30AM
Very well captured with superb expressions....well done!
7 Nov 2012 11:36AM
Thanks guys, I am unsure why the EXIF data is not embedded in this image, does layer in PS destroy that? Or is it in the conversion from CR2 to DNG then to Jpeg?
@FRank, no I am not here to here 'lovely shot' etc, as there is a opportunity to grow and learn from other photographers from this site.
So I look forward to many more conversations!

Sooty_1 7 1.5k 221 United Kingdom
7 Nov 2012 12:30PM
It's well seen and captured, a great moment. On my screen it looks quite dark and contrasty, but as far as composition etc, I think it's fine. Kids are so is obviously more important right at this moment, and it's enabled you to get an unposed shot.
EXIF is usually handy to have, but here I don't think it's important. I'd just like it a little lighter and less "brooding".

iancrowson Plus
8 211 146 United Kingdom
7 Nov 2012 1:03PM
As already said, a good image of three happy children. Composition works well, good idea to get get them sitting with snacks.
It is a darkish, sombre, rather period looking picture. It would be interesting to see it in colour. Did you use BW to create an atmosphere.
I agree with Frank the camera settings data - EXIF - is interesting and can be helpful where the photographer need advising, which is not the case here.
Hi Ian I will post a colour version tomorrow. I did use BW conversion to add to the image crispness. Personally I think the colour image does not have as much impact, but that's just my take on it, you can see tomorrow. Ad

The EXIF data is as follows:
ISO 500
1/500th sec
75mm focal length

Taken with 5d mk2 & ef l 70-200 is
iancrowson Plus
8 211 146 United Kingdom
7 Nov 2012 4:42PM
I'll look out for it.
I'm not you man for BW critique but it looks very good to me. Good ranges of tones and no lost shadows of importance.
I was just thinking along the lines of colourful children, colourful image.
paulbroad 10 123 1245 United Kingdom
7 Nov 2012 5:53PM
Converting to a 600 pixel jpg appears to destroy the EXIF I find. This is nice. Difficult to criticise technique. Mono is OK but I generally prefer colour for this type of image. Would prefer lad on the right looking into the frame rather than out.
He then relates to the other two.

banehawi Plus
13 1.8k 3881 Canada
7 Nov 2012 6:25PM
There are versions of Photoshop, cant remember which at the moment, where if you use the Save for Web option, it will drop the exif data, - its not connected to re sizing, its a Photoshop fault corrected in later versions.. If this is the case here, dont use the Save for Web option, just save as normal, but ensure you have the sRGB colour profile attached.

Also Adam, on the upload page, look out for an option, on the right, about halfway down that says More Exif Options, click it, and it will append more data if its available.

You can also upload your colour version NOW rather than tomorrow. If you click modifications above, then select Upload, just select your colour shot, and it will appear under modifications.

So now Im off to download this lovely shot for a closer look and I will add comments. I would love to see your colour also, - its a critical part of the mono conversion process, and if its not great, we can also provide some input on the colour version.

@paulbroad thanks for the comments, however does the fact that the lad on the left add charm to the image? Not wanting to be part of the crowd? It is all in the eye of the beholder
@banehawi here you go a the colour shot. Thanks for the pointers on the uploads, I thought we could only upload 1 image per day?!

Right off the computer and into the night to do some light painting! With wire wool on fire of course!!!!

banehawi Plus
13 1.8k 3881 Canada
7 Nov 2012 7:10PM
Its an excellent shot Adam. It looks very natural, and un posed, very candid, even if it was posed. I have to agree that the mono does look very good compared to the colour. Looking at exif, that lens is sharp, but sharpest at f/5.6. Your chosen aperture hasnt thrown the background oof much, so using 5.6 might result in a sharper image.

Ive had a lot of fun with mods. The first mono has some more mid tone detail, as to me the faces look like they have very little detail, - apart from the rhs, and Ive enhanced the catchlights in the eyes of the rhs kid. Love how hes looking out of the frame. The second mono is a duo toned version of the first, a little more contrasty; the first colour, again more mid tone detail, - reducing highlights, and using a cooler white balance, increased contrast and sharpness; the last colour mod is an effect filter, supposed to be candlelight, - I personally like the effect, tough its not for everyone.

Mono was a good decision imo.


iancrowson Plus
8 211 146 United Kingdom
7 Nov 2012 9:47PM
Interesting how differently people see images, I love the colour,
banehawi Plus
13 1.8k 3881 Canada
7 Nov 2012 10:09PM
What browser are you using Ian!


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