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novocastria 12 102
2 Sep 2004 5:05PM
Terrific shot - the smoke adds real atmosphere (no pun intended!). Well done.

I hope you passed! :0)


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starstriders 12 1.6k United Kingdom
2 Sep 2004 5:06PM
I did thank you, I got an A for both GCSE and A-level but that was a while ago now Wink
User_Removed 13 455 13 United Kingdom
2 Sep 2004 5:25PM
Really strong image. Well done.
2 Sep 2004 6:08PM
congratulations on the EC, this is simply superb. K.
sugarbird 12 223 South Africa
2 Sep 2004 6:15PM
Excellent, my congratulations
nell 12 22
2 Sep 2004 6:15PM
Great shot B/w really does the trick on this one Smile
starstriders 12 1.6k United Kingdom
2 Sep 2004 6:59PM
Wow - I'm speechless. Thank you Editor! Smile
willbrealey 12 248
2 Sep 2004 7:09PM
Great capture, nice subject too. An EC on your 2nd upload?? Well done, no wonder you got A's!
mellyleth 12 212 United Kingdom
2 Sep 2004 7:24PM
Excellent shot, gorgeous contrast. Well done on the EC!! Click.
2 Sep 2004 8:47PM
Wonderful shot. Den
delz 12 4 New Zealand
2 Sep 2004 9:27PM
Great shot! So nice to see something different :o)
Kris_Dutson 14 8.2k 1 England
2 Sep 2004 9:37PM
I really like this - fantastic atmosphere
ger mac 12 62 Ireland
2 Sep 2004 10:05PM
lovely picture
mwatkins9801 12 190
3 Sep 2004 1:07AM
wow, i can hardly even make out what this is. someone please enlighten me, really...
whipspeed 12 4.2k 22 United Kingdom
3 Sep 2004 7:49AM
Excellent shot Lauren, very evocative. Well captured.
kyomii 12
3 Sep 2004 8:16AM
There is something about this image and it certainly takes me back in time as though I am there. Great composition. Click
mansoor 12 11 United Kingdom
3 Sep 2004 9:09AM
hmmm... it sure is different but I share Michaels view. I cant make out much here. Can others please tell us whats spl about this picture. Thanks in advance Smile
jellylegs 12 59 Ireland
3 Sep 2004 10:13AM
Well done. I think it's a great shot.

jonc 12 7
3 Sep 2004 3:03PM
I like very much how it has captured someone at work. The hand the shoe are all I need to see exactly what is going on.
starstriders 12 1.6k United Kingdom
3 Sep 2004 5:05PM
The photo (for the equine impaired members of ePHOTOzine!) is of a farrier's hands holding the horse's foot as he sears the hoof to the shape of the shoe (which is extremely hot after being heated in a furnace).
mwatkins9801 12 190
3 Sep 2004 6:28PM
thanks lauren. i know what it is, my question is why this is considered an excellent photo. i spend a lot of time analyzing shots as i am constantly trying to improve myself. i learn a lot that way, we all do. when someone's work is justified as 'good' in the general consensus, i just want to know why if it is not obvious to me by looking at it.

no flaming arrows please, but i personally would not consider this a good photo and that's where i am coming from. interested in knowing why 15 people think it's good. what is it about this that pushes your buttons- please be descriptive about what makes it good or why it should be here in your eyes.

i know likes and dislikes are personal preferences and i am not the ultimate authority on what's good or not good. i am also overly honest and appreciate the same. if i'm this far off in my perception, then i just obviously need to learn a lot more than i thought i did.

lauren, this has nothing to do with you personally. i totally look forward to seeing more of your work and i extend a huge welcome to you! i apologize for the controversy right out of the gate and please don't take it personally.
starstriders 12 1.6k United Kingdom
3 Sep 2004 6:33PM
Fair enough - you said you couldn't make out what it is {shrugs}. Can't please everyone. Criticism is always good so long as it's constructive. What don't you like about it?
mwatkins9801 12 190
3 Sep 2004 7:13PM
lauren, it's not what i don't like about it, rather it's being able to justify to myself what i do like about it enough to say 'yes, this is an excellent shot' i'll stop now- don't get hung up on my opinion, there are 16 others who disagree with me so the odds are definitely in your favor. have a good weekend and keep uploading!
starstriders 12 1.6k United Kingdom
3 Sep 2004 7:15PM
oh no - i'm not hung up, i'm interested in what everyone thinks of my work, even the minorities! lol!
mwatkins9801 12 190
3 Sep 2004 7:18PM
fair enough :o)
agoreira 13 6.0k Wales
3 Sep 2004 9:25PM
Im pretty much with mwatkins9801 on this one. Theres not a lot to dislike about it, but Im struggling to see why it warrants an EC. I realise its still quite frowned upon to speak ones mind and disagree with the majority, but for me, this is run of the mill stuff. But you picked Petes weak spot, black and white! Wink

steve neil 12 597 Australia
3 Sep 2004 10:21PM
You are the judge of what you think makes a good photo. In this example I don't think its a question of whether or not its a good photo - it is simply a photo the Editor likes! Congrats Lauren.
ian.daisley 12 96 6 England
3 Sep 2004 10:46PM
Err..sorry, but when I first saw it I thought it was a poor picture. I don't like the framing - there's not enough in it to get me going. Can't see why this gets and EC. Come on Mr Editor, perhaps you should give some feedback.
Cheers, Ian.
mwatkins9801 12 190
3 Sep 2004 11:09PM
yes steve, that's a given. i don't question pete's preferences- he may have had a pony as a boy and this touched some sweet spot. he doesn't have to justify why he picks something but too many of us i fear blindly accept that if a photo receives an ec it must be technically outstanding.

that, is the biggest downfall of the EC and sometimes i wish pete would go a little deeper towards explaining why something is chosen if it is chosen on the basis of technical merit vs an emotional response. i don't need to know what his emotional trigger buttons are, but i'm sure interested in the deeper technical aspects of photography that he (and the others here) see that i don't.

he may see a lighting technique that is the mark of a professional, or perfect exposure in a most difficult situation... whatever. i don't want to turn this into a bash lauren's photo conversation at all, that's not what this is about. perhaps this is a subject better taken up in a forum thread as it really has nothing to do with this image but a much larger issue. (?)
noseprints 13 576
4 Sep 2004 3:38AM
great composition. lovely textures and patterns all over. very well put together. so much to look at, and the movement of the smoke is a pleasure. background really works. kind of mysterious.
agoreira 13 6.0k Wales
4 Sep 2004 7:26AM
" but too many of us i fear blindly accept that if a photo receives an ec it must be technically outstanding."

You're starting to sound like Caraboose! Wink But I agree with you. Wink Criticism of an EC generally seems to be frowned upon.

Frank W
starstriders 12 1.6k United Kingdom
4 Sep 2004 9:17AM
Ok ok, lots of you don't like it - but this isn't helping as there is no specific constructive criticism that will help me so can you please all move this to a forum? Your point has been made.
nat king 12 7
4 Sep 2004 10:24AM
Personally I like it. A photo can and should be about provoking a response or being inspirational as well as being technically good. I'm no expert, but I think this covers both for me. Nat :o)
deviant 12 3.1k 1 United Kingdom
5 Sep 2004 11:41PM
Brill. Real sense of heat and smell in this.
6 Sep 2004 6:20AM
The last comment sums it up... it's not technically a great photograph, it's soft, you can't see everything, the background is out of focus but... BUT... there's a real sense of heat and smell in it. Deviant has got it in one. Since when does photography have to be technically perfect. It's about capturing and communicating a moment and presenting it to your (highly critical!) eyes. That moment can be technical, aspirational, emotional... it doesn't matter how you get there, it's the end result that counts. Apart from everything else this shot was taken as an exercise in movement. For all those reasons this shot gets my vote...and Lauren, I'm glad you found it in your chest of memories... that makes it even better.
urban-hero 12 23 United Kingdom
6 Sep 2004 9:41AM
I think this picture is superb because it captures the whole essence of that moment. You can almost hear the sizzle of the burning hoof and smell that smoke. I agree that the picture is not technically perfect but how many good pictures are! It gets my click and I think that it is worthy of the EC.

I think people too readily criticise the choice of EC's but it should be remembered that these pictures are chosen by the Editor primarily because he likes them, not nessessarily for technical or creative merit. We all have different likes and dislikes, the world would be very tedious if it were otherwise!
6 Sep 2004 10:19AM
Cool picture.

ruzzi 12
12 Sep 2004 11:20PM
Excellent shot!
bassan 13 9
9 Oct 2004 11:00PM
All been said. click
Titi 11 Romania
29 Dec 2004 1:13AM
I like old shots, this is a great photo. My father use to have horses, and understand the shot very well.!!!
the black and withe is great on old phtos!!! Well done!!
rogerbryan 12 397 United Kingdom
7 Jan 2005 3:55PM
Don't know how I missed this shot but I suppose you can't veiw every image. Makes me wonder how many other good shots I have missed.
Love the detail of this image.


PS. Was not really doing 100mph in a 50mph zone - honest.
15 Jan 2005 3:57AM
Stunning image!
jules41 12 197 United Kingdom
15 Jan 2005 12:46PM
Excellent shot,well done on the EC
Goatsmilkuk 11 783
24 Jan 2005 1:40PM
Just fantastic, very impressive.


teddy 12 12 United Kingdom
31 Jan 2005 3:30PM
Excellent shot,congrats on the EC. TED
24 Feb 2005 11:45AM
good idea well done!terrific image.
like the colours hamed
Gavin 11 17
10 Jul 2005 9:39AM
Excellent capture

Mariusz 11 Poland
22 Jul 2005 2:00PM
perfect done!
11 Feb 2006 9:57AM
This is beautiful!
And also thanks a bunch for the kind words! Smile
Katie_S 10
4 Sep 2006 11:49AM
this is a brill shot, ive tried to get this a few times, but i hate the smell so much i try to stay well clear!!
well captured!

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