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Alfa Storm

By strawman
Following discussions on how much shadow detail an image should have I took this one of an Alfa at the Silverstone classic this weekend early on Sunday morning just to experiment with light as it was a strange light at the time. So thoughts does it work, I was going for mood and playing with reflections on the car paintwork. I did think about cloning the silhouette of people walking on the bridge and the flag out, but I think they add something.

So does it work at all, what would you do different, what should I think about. Any thoughts on composition

Tags: Transport Transport cars

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banehawi Plus
17 2.5k 4253 Canada
30 Jul 2014 3:59PM
There no shot data of any kind, date, time, nothig to go on other than how it looks here.

Its looks very much underexposed; the sky is underexposed; and the front of the car has blacks "blocked" meaning theres no recoverable detail at all available there.

In general, including a massive amount of sky in the shot definitely requires a + exposure compensation to have any chance of getting detail in the car. It possible, the amount of sky should be minimized, though not excluded.

If you include the shot data it may help with critique, bit wont alter the basic fact its underexposed to the extent that no shadow detail is present in most of the shot.


mrswoolybill Plus
14 2.9k 2434 United Kingdom
30 Jul 2014 5:35PM
I assume that this was taken in early evening - the time would be as interesting as the Exif in many ways...

I like my images dark, and see no essential reason why I should be able to peer into shadows that I would not see into in the flesh, so to speak, but the darkness here is a bit counter-productive to my eye as it reduces the impact of those fabulous cloud reflections in the car. So yes, I want to lighten a bit.

My main quibble though is the cut-off at the bottom, leaving thin slivers of shiny metal along the bottom of the frame and at the sides, that I find really annoying. I understand from my resident Motoring Consultant that this is a wrap-round bumper. I want to see all or none of it.

I've prepared two Modifications that I'll upload in a moment if the site will allow me (it's playing up this afternoon...) In the first I have lightened a bit, but then used the burn tool to bring back the darkness in the clouds at the very top; cropped a few pixels off the bottom, and got rid of shiny bits to the left and right. Sorry if that's heretical, let's just say that I put them into dark shadow... That for me leaves a more satisfying 'sandwich' of bright(ish) reflections between two darker layers.

The second Modification is me playing around - I love the figures, they make the composition for me. They are something unpredictable, dynamic, against the cool, clean, static lines. I wanted to crop to create a more direct relationship between the two. (The beauty of motor shows for me is that using wide angle I can get people in the shot when they assume that I'm only photographing the car...)
strawman 17 22.2k 16 United Kingdom
30 Jul 2014 5:54PM
Hi Moira. I looked at your mods and I prefer the first one and yes I think it improves the shot. One of the things I like about photography is how different people will look at the scene and think about it in different ways. Thanks I appreciate your time and effort. I think I will go back and play with the curves more, initially I took a +/-2 stops bracketed set of photographs as I was going to HDR the photo, and yes this is the -2 shot. But this sort of leapt out at me. And yes you are correct there is another image in there Smile

Willie I could have put shot data in ISO, shutter speed etc, but to be honest I was more interested in the reaction to the deliberately under exposed shot. It is more about looking for a reaction of those looking at it, and it could be that I see it in a way others do not. I wanted the shadows to be dark and blocked out I wanted the viewer to have to look to see details of the car. It was based on a forum thread where the work of David Ward was discussed.

I think I will lighten the car paint work and I will work on the HDR shot plus crop, but I will keep it under exposed. There is another shot in the series that I should post where the car is total underexposed but that is related to a sad event. This is the opening shot in a series of two.

Once again thanks for your both thoughts, even if it means I failed it is good to know and I appreciate the feedback. More things to work on Smile
banehawi Plus
17 2.5k 4253 Canada
30 Jul 2014 6:07PM
Uploaded a mod.

The information you provided above would have been better provided in the original description, as it a waste of time for us to tell you what you know. EXIF is required for critique.

Paul Morgan 20 19.5k 6 England
22 Sep 2014 2:57AM

Quote:Uploaded a mod.

The information you provided above would have been better provided in the original description, as it a waste of time for us to tell you what you know. EXIF is required for critique.


That was a bit harsh W.

Exif info is great if you have a poster with a camera settings problem.

But in Johns case any exif info would be pretty useless for critique purposes, you should be able to critique this one on face value or from reading Johns notes.

John the shot just looks a little dull and needs a little something extra to spice it up, the head lights on, a rising sun or something, nothing wrong with deep shadows though.

Would have been better if you had added the bumpers and straightened the comp a little as well.
strawman 17 22.2k 16 United Kingdom
1 Mar 2015 6:57PM
I must admit it was an attempt to come back to the site I read Willies comments and thought you know what why bother life is too short and I have other things to do. So I did other things.

It is not about the merits or not of the photo lets be honest it has flaws, it was the attitude. It was one of a series taken on the day a person died, and to be honest I came to realise it only meant something to me. So the images were not worth sharing.

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