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Church at Clumber

By tabby
Taken at Clumber Park, Nottinghamshire. First expriments with wide-angle lens! All critique is most welcome - I have a lot to learn!

Tags: Architecture

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This photo is here for critique. Please only comment constructively and with suggestions on how to improve it.


MarkT 13 119 2 England
13 Sep 2007 1:21PM
Looks a bit flat, try using levels or curves to boost the contrast. The 10-20 is a wide angle lens so try and get closer to the church for a more interesting perspective. Try and look for some foreground interest to lead you into the scene, i.e. flowers, path etc.

Hope this helps.


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tabby 13 30 England
13 Sep 2007 1:33PM
Thanks for that, Mark. This is just about the first photo I have taken with this lens and I know I have lots to learn

Just looked at you photos. The word "wow" comes to mind!
mikeyjuggler 10 373 United Kingdom
13 Sep 2007 1:39PM
Hi Linda,
maybe get less square on than you are to the chuch. I think that it is possibly suffering from the same symptoms as mine ( the next photo in critique gallery) of flat lighting. If you can go back to the same place it may well be worth taking a few more possibly earlier or later in the day to try and lift the masonry of the church.
keep trying and we'll get there!!!
joolsb 13 27.1k 38 Switzerland
13 Sep 2007 5:09PM
You have some good advice already but here's my 2p's worth...

You have to be careful when pointing the camera upwards at a building to avoid the 'falling-over' look. You can correct this in software later, of course, but it's fiddly and you end up sacrificing parts of your picture. Far better to either make a 'feature' of the converging verticals by getting in close (as Mark suggests) or you can go further away from the church and use a telephoto lens (making sure the camera back is flat-on to the subject).

One other point. Placing your subject right in the centre of your frame should generally be avoided in favour of an off-centre composition and this is where the famous rule-of-thirds comes in.
paulbroad 10 123 1244 United Kingdom
14 Sep 2007 8:45AM
I've seen this shot dozens of times in my judging days - and for some reason everyone takes it from exactly this viewpoint. I'll bet there are tripod holes in the ground.

Good enough actually - as good as most of the similar ones that I've seen, but it does give the impression of a cardboard cut out falling over. Part correction of verticals would help, but I would prefer a different viewpoint entirely, possibly closer, then make the converging verticals part of the composition.

Convergence suggest height or distance.


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