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By unk001  
I spent the day ( a cloudy and rainy day) photographing a small red teay rose...I took dozens of photos in black and white setting and in color settings I even went so far as to use my spot meter to find the best camera settings...I'll post the results in my gallery...
This one is a photo of a reflection on my small coy fish pond the sun was setting and there were many interesting shadows... However trying to get the right exposer and focus seemed almost impossible. I guess the real story here is the title "reflections" reflections on the pond but more importantly reflections about the art of photography and how I personal relate to my images. To paraphrase The late Edie Adams. It or rather does the image speak no matter if it is not in perfect focus, composition.or other attributes but does it say something, something about the photographer but more importantly about the subject...I have a portfolio of 10's of thousands of photographs some talk to me some talk others...some are silent.. but in the end they do talk. even if I can't hear them ..c

Tags: Black and white Reflection in water

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10 May 2017 3:41AM
Eloquent. I wonder how tis would read in color?


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mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.7k 2099 United Kingdom
10 May 2017 8:12AM
Reflections are one of my passions, for the way they merge two different realities, the reflected view and the surface textures of the water. So they are part of my personal visual world, I understand what you are trying to do.

We had a meeting a week or so ago for local photographers trying to set up a new group. I asked them why they took photographs, one said 'To capture what was in my mind as I was looking'. That seems to sum up a big aspect of photography for me.

For me personally, reflections can work very well in b&w, but it's rarer for the more abstract reflections to do that. And here I really do want to see colour, for a greater sense of depth. I suspect that there may be blue sky peeping through the leaves, and that would give a better sense of depth in the water.

Or maybe that doesn't exist in the original, and the b&w image is serving its purpose in making me use my imagination.

Can you upload the colour as a version or modification please? I hope you are converting to b&w in post-processing by the way, not doing in-camera b&w which cuts down your options massively.

A couple of points - I generally reckon that 1/160 second is the slowest shutter speed that will freeze surface movement in water, I would prefer 1/200. And in Manual the minus exposure compensation will have had no effect. I suspect that it was left over from a previous shoot, always zero that setting after you have finished.

I hope to see the colour image, I shall have a little play with this to try to add a bit more brightness.
mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.7k 2099 United Kingdom
10 May 2017 8:33AM
I've uploaded a modification. It creates some areas of blown highlights, but in reality, looking at light reflecting off water, that's what the eye will see...
dudler Plus
16 978 1536 England
10 May 2017 9:06AM
Do you shoot RAW files, Charles? While I often use in-camera B/W, I always have a RAW file with all the colour data so that I can do a software conversion if Iím not happy with the camera JPG file. An important point is that Sony in-camera B/W files seem to be particularly good, for some reason.

Like Peter, Iíd really like to see a colour version of this, and look at how are playing with if the different colours in Photoshop would affect some of the darker tones when converted to a monochrome.

Focus when reflections are involved is often beyond the AF mechanism of a camera. Hours the reflections flicker it may dodge about between reflection and underwater detail. Manual focus and a magnified live view can help.

Thereís darkness and mystery here!
unk001 5
10 May 2017 9:29AM
Mora...'To capture what was in my mind as I was seeing"...sums it up for me too...I uploaded one I shot in color as a Mod... the original was an in camera b&w...

John I have tried to use the raw setting however my computer or me seem to have problems with it...I'll work on it.
The one or all the ones shot in color seemed to loose the detail I was "seeing" the black and whites did not have that problem maybe John or Moria you can explain that to me...

Give me another 10k photos and or 10K years and I just may get that one shot i have been looking for or seeing in my mind's eye. Wink
banehawi Plus
15 2.2k 4049 Canada
10 May 2017 12:56PM
I think your second image looks more like a reflection in water to start with.

I tried a mod of that one in mono; the trick I think is to let the very bright reflections blow a little.


paulbroad Plus
12 131 1286 United Kingdom
10 May 2017 1:33PM
I fear it is not speaking to me at all. Just a confusion of shapes and tones which, I suppose, some might like but not for me. Struggle to suggest improvement.

unk001 5
10 May 2017 3:35PM
Thar,s ok's written in american english....
mrswoolybill Plus
13 1.7k 2099 United Kingdom
10 May 2017 3:59PM
Thanks for uploading a colour image, I've added a modification based on it.

I agree with Willie's point:

Quote:the trick I think is to let the very bright reflections blow a little.

It's how reflected light really looks!

However I did disguise the really white blob by cloning over it at reduced opacity.

I cropped to square for a more abstract feel, less easily read. Then I worked the b&w in Nik Silver Efex (free download now from Google). I darkened the green channel, lightened the yellows, which gave a little more tonal variety.

Then I did some dodging to push those highlights.

I really would advise against in-camera b&w, because it limits the possibilities afterwards, but where the image is essentially one colour, as here, it probably doesn't create problems.
dark_lord Plus
15 2.4k 599 England
10 May 2017 9:03PM
Thank you for uploading a colour version, though it's almost mono as it is.

Willie sums it up very well in that the colour image does look more like a reflection. Shot within a few minutes but the subtle differences in light, shadow and patterns work together much more coherently (as if coherent and abstract go together!).

The other difference between them is that your original is flatter in tone whereas Willie's mod is higher in contrast. And that contrast helps to grab the attention. You can have higher contrast and retai detail. which is where software conersion wins over in-camera. You may need to work at it though.

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