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Sometimes I do snap a few street photos, but I never know what to do with the crowds. I always thought F8 was the number that I should use.. actually only a few days ago,I learned from Paul, F4 would be better, but this photo was taken exactly a month ago. It all happened very quickly, the contrast of the light was very strong,so I thought that I tried F8 to give a reasonable clarity and PS the rest later. I wonder if I 've done the right thing now....
The problems of dealing with the background are: a) Blur the background, it still seems a distraction;b)Using solid colour layer to block all the background,it seems losing the reality; So, I tried the middle way, this is gardient layer. Does it work? Or any better way to treat the situation like this?All your advices, criticisms and MODs are welcome. I'll upload the blured version and solid layer version on MOD later..
About the photo: The photo was taken in the street between Lincoln Castle and Cathedral area, the background was the street from left to right. I just took a photo of the castle and walked towards the Cathedral, while listening to the music that played by the musician who was standing against the wall..Suddenly this little kid running towards the musician, he stopped, listened, and started dacing with the music. When the music stopped, he aseked:" More.." When he felt tired, he sit on the floor..Eventually, the musician kneeled down to his level, they enjoyed the music together. I thought that it was fantastic. Thanks for looking.

Camera:Canon EOS 50D
Lens:EF-S18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS
Recording media:RAW (digital)
Date Taken:11 Aug 2012 - 4:06 PM
Focal Length:40mm
Lens Max Aperture:f/4.6
Shutter Speed:1/1500sec
Exposure Comp:0.0
Exposure Mode:Manual
Metering Mode:Partial
Flash:Off, Did not fire
White Balance:As Shot
Title:The youngest jazz lover in Lincoln.
Username:xwang xwang
Uploaded:12 Sep 2012 - 10:35 AM
Tags:Boy, General, Humour / fun, Musician.
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I rather like V 1 just as you have presented it, Jasmine.
The wee chap is quite engrossed in the musician's activity, but the street scene is catered for nicely with the lower bodies of passers by in the vignetted b/g.
What I regard as a very fine piece of work.


a delightful image
I think I would try an elipse black vignette well fading

paskinmj  6 United Kingdom1 Constructive Critique Points
12 Sep 2012 - 11:44 AM

Nice vignetting and well spotted.

BarryC123  743 forum posts Ireland25 Constructive Critique Points
12 Sep 2012 - 12:00 PM

I agree with Ronnie - this is very fine work indeed. A lovely scene very well taken.

12 Sep 2012 - 12:11 PM

Hi Jasmine! Nice street photography and I have done you a mod. I must be in a mod mood againWink
I cropped off a little desaturated and removed a bit of brightness, A tiny rotate to straighten the music stand and put just a bit of lens distort which very handily puts on a very fine black border on my software. I feel I cant comment on the aperture setting as my camera only goes up to f8, so it is confusing for me, I just mess until I am happySmile


I like the v1 and think your choice of gradient was just right. If you used the gradient on a layer, you might have erased the effect from the musicians luggage as well so the entire foreground is in the same depth of color. It is an excellent candid with a wonderful feeling to it. I'd give you an A on this one.

paulbroad  8108 forum posts United Kingdom964 Constructive Critique Points
12 Sep 2012 - 1:10 PM

The content is excellent and well spotted. The vignetting doesn't work at all for me. Your second mod os close , but the best bet was differential focusing with sellective burning in of the background and dodging the two main subjects.

Difficulti know, but using the longer focal length of your lens at maximum aperture would give that sharp plane of focus on the subject with softer background.



I tried but it didnt work over the already white vignette

xwang  632 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
12 Sep 2012 - 5:05 PM

Thank you so much, Barbara. I got your idea. I'll try one, see if I get it right. I have never used black vignette before. I am not sure how much black I should put on..
I just did a MOD, this is 70%, elipse black solid colour fill layer. What do you think? Thanks again.Smile

banehawi Critique Team 111264 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada3285 Constructive Critique Points
12 Sep 2012 - 5:36 PM

One of your best ever shots, and you are trying way to hard to make it better.

Start with the basics. The shot is underexposed, and it also needs shadow detail lifted. Do that first. Always, this is the starting point, then you think of other things.

Crop using the thirds as a guide, - it removes some of the clutter.

Finally, apply a realistic blur above and beyond the two main characters, - a blur would not normally occur closer to the camera,- it will look fake.

See mod.

Keep it simple! Never skip the basics. Results are usually best.




Oh, yes....I really like Willie's mod....that is what I was talking about! See how he popped the color up too....really a nice shot.

banehawi Critique Team 111264 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada3285 Constructive Critique Points
12 Sep 2012 - 7:46 PM

I popped the background colour down, so it appears the subjects are popped, - a little trick!


xwang  632 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
12 Sep 2012 - 11:28 PM

Thank you very much Paul for your good advices. I got your point and your point led me learning a bit further about blur.. I'll try large aperture next time.. as large as possibleGrin
Thank you very much Diane and Barbara for your MODs. You gave me some other ideas to deal with the crowds problem.
Thank you very much, Willie.
Yes, I used the wrong blur..Is that realistic blur is lens blur? I just tried lens blur with layer mask. I don't know much about layers, most of the time I was just blindly trying...It is quite easy, but it would be easier to get it from the cameraSmile. Yeah, the image was under exposed, because I was nearly shooting facing the sun. When I uploaded the photo, I was a bit single track, only considered about the background matter, i wasn't bothered about the rest..
I wonder how you popped the background colour down...Hue/ saturation, colour balance channel mixer and photo filter didn'st work well. I tried curve. Perhaps I wasn't very careful.. I got a little green colour on the shadow, so I changed to selective colour.. , but I tried on the whole image rather than selected the background and foreground..Thank you very much for your helpful advice about the blur method indeed. I have several photos with the crowds that I didn't know what to do with them as well..I do enjoy learning some little tricks form you..Wink
Thank you all very much for your kind comments, supportand good advices.

banehawi Critique Team 111264 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada3285 Constructive Critique Points
12 Sep 2012 - 11:50 PM

Try box blur



Love this Jasmine

xwang  632 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
13 Sep 2012 - 10:13 AM

Thank you, Willie. I wonder what the difference between lens blur and box blur. I uploaded them both for you to have a look. From large file, I feel that lens blur works better and focal distance is easily to be controlled. Box blur can also blur the background further. I sometimes use box blur on sky, it works better than gaussian blur...Thanks a lot again.
Thank you Jim.

banehawi Critique Team 111264 forum postsbanehawi vcard Canada3285 Constructive Critique Points
13 Sep 2012 - 6:27 PM

Box blur is the same as lens blur only faster. Lens blur is a little better, but takes a lot of processing time.

Both look better than Gaussian blur.


Last Modified By banehawi at 13 Sep 2012 - 6:27 PM
xwang  632 forum posts7 Constructive Critique Points
16 Sep 2012 - 2:14 PM

Thanks Willie.

21 Sep 2012 - 10:26 PM

I like this image a lot and think that the crowd should be blocked out so we can see the cute little boy and jazz player. Elaine SmileSmile

Tibetan  3 England
18 Oct 2012 - 10:17 PM

If you can produce an image reproduction such as this why! are you so unsure of yourself! produce what you see as you!see it! and to hell with the rest!, they will tell you this and that! and make your special photo's theirs, Do not listen follow your own code not that of others! they will usurp you given the chance! stay trueto you! regards Leon.GrinGrinGrinGrinGrinGrin

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