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The man with the golden hair..

By ziggystardust111  
People on the Folkestone Harbour Arm

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mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.5k 2054 United Kingdom
6 Nov 2018 8:37AM
There's a nice air of mystery here, because we cannot see the face we have to imagine the interaction. Is he singing? Heckling? Just standing for a better view?

I wonder why you tilted this? It's very modish, our local press photographer regards it as pretty well compulsory even when she cuts off important information as a result... It can look spontaneous, and challenging, but I think that here by putting the foreground figure and guitarist on different levels in the frame it reduces the sense of direct communication.

Plus - a rising diagonal is positive, you have that in the background. But the falling diagonals of the figures work against that, and the result makes me feel slightly sea-sick... Certainly it's disorienting.

I'm guessing that the harsh processing is done in your phone? That's outside my experience but others can advise.
dudler Plus
15 861 1489 England
6 Nov 2018 10:07AM
Your trademark heavy processing works here - a feel lof a sultry summer afternoon.

The tilt works because of the man with the guitar - and the fact that the guitar is nearly aligned with the edge of the frame. The watermark, in that dark blue sky, is intrusive. One blob of spot healing and it's gone...

You've still said nothing about what you wanted, or whether you got it, or what you want from us: this is frustrating!
6 Nov 2018 6:34PM
It's good to try something spontaneously, just for fun to see if it works. Sometimes it doesn't.
With the greatest respect to others a full appraisal of an image often highlights elements in pictures that the photographer never sees.
The reason why I took this picture was...

The guys hair on the left-hand side is full of texture . Just like a van gogh painting.
The lighthouse in the distance creates the first side of a triangle. Your eye is drawn back into the picture by the drummer and the guitar player. The guitar itself just fills that little space..
The ladies hair (lower left) gives the image a little balance and a full stop.

The fact that all the uprights are all on diagonal make it more dynamic the opposite diagonal of the horizon balance the other angles up.

I find the way people read, see pictures fascinating not frustrating...

I goto a camera club where we don't have judges but the photographers are encouraged to talk why they took the picture..

Just the way I see the world......
paulbroad Plus
11 127 1282 United Kingdom
6 Nov 2018 9:17PM
Maybe you should have gone to Specsavers?

dark_lord Plus
15 2.3k 577 England
6 Nov 2018 9:56PM
I like the way you and your fellow photographers talk about your images together.
It's pleasing when someone replies and ets a conversation going.

To be really effective it has to be two way, so that encourages positive feedback, suggestions and furthers ideas, which is what the Critique Gallery is aout. Maybe you do do that.
dark lord, it is a two way street. Often crops etc are suggested
Not normally so forth right as here, but to hear someone's passion about an image inspires others.
This forum is good as you see different perspectives.
I have shared these images on other platforms and had vary of comments but they are generaly positive.
Which is the reason for sharing here. To get a more realistic view.
Though having quite a public beating can be hard.
Good to grow a thick skin.... I thinks !!!

Btw, adding a watermark is not to in anyway to enforce copyright but more to brand.. Though I think plenty here would hate the thought to plagiarize these images.
As pointed out it's so easy to clone out a watermark. Good job for meta data and low resolution...

banehawi Plus
15 2.0k 4006 Canada
6 Nov 2018 11:14PM
The critique gallery is, as it says on the upload page, a learning zone, and a place for photographers to upload mages who are asking for feedback, mainly how a particular intention has turned out, and for the most part, how, if appropriate an image can be improved by camera craft, processing, technique, etc.

This does not seem to be what you are looking for, and despite numerous questions about you very heavy post processing, requests for un edited images, we are still at a standstill. As dudler mentioned, very frustrating.

Your own intent with this shot should ideally have been placed in the description, as the critique guidelines suggest, so we have someplace to start.

That guys hair on the left, - like a Van Gogh painting, - is it your intent to produce hair that appears painted, with little actual detail?

The womans hair adds balance, - I cant see a woman, and I cant see what may be a woman's hair adding balance.

The lighthouse, - one side of a triangle, where are the other sides?

My own eye lands immediately on the guys hair, as its relatively sharp compared to the rest, - and I notice the musicians later.

The image overall is considerably underexposed, - is this your intent, - underexposed images?

You may be best to upload to the General Gallery and see what sort of feedback, votes and or awards you get. That in itself is a good measure.


7 Nov 2018 12:16AM
Your explanation attempts to deal with the image on a purely abstract level, as an arrangement of shapes, the relationships between them, and the dynamic tensions thereby created.The problem here is that the shapes are not abstract, or even abstracted, they are determinedly figurative, which of course imposes a literary dimension, and that effectively undermines any consideration of the image as abstract. So what we are left with is really just a discussion of the nuts and bolts of composition.
And then tilting the orientation through 40 or so undermines that literary dimension because it seems to serve no useful purpose and on the figurative level makes no sense. The result is an image that doesn't seem to know what it wants to be.

mrswoolybill Plus
12 1.5k 2054 United Kingdom
8 Nov 2018 2:10PM
Some classic examples of totally pointless tilt in this set from our local rag. I think for the most part it's done without serious thought.
dudler Plus
15 861 1489 England
8 Nov 2018 10:29PM
I'll echo the comment that it would have been good to know your thoughts before you asked us for comments.

You're perfectly right that others see things that one is not conscious of oneself: and that's what your club is about - and htis gallery, in a different way. Comments here, written, will necessarily be more succinct (and therefore, probalby, blunt) than verbal comments, when everyone can hear nuances of expression, see smiles and frowns.

For the members of the Critique Team, this is a serious undertaking - we aren't paid staff, and we tend to view ourselves as having a contract of seriousness and openness with people who post. To post in the Critique Gallery, one has to click to select the option, and click again to confirm that one has read the 'rules' - so any picture that ends up here is so by intention, rather than being an accidental signing-up, like membership of premium status at a certain sales website!

Alan's comments are interesting, as he posts consistently interesting - and in my view excellent - images. Like you, he thinks hard about his images, and shares his thoughts freely.

So the big question remains - what do you want of us? Is it a frank exchange of views? Or something else?

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